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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game-changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening paid to black

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bespoke radio for

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yeah man how you doing today's tuesday

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we are live

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and we're also 75 days into the new year

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we're live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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for kjcr the game changer network and

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the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking

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yeah how you doing

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how you doing tonight

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very special guest steven bassett is

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steven is here we're going to be talking

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about everything that is going on

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right now in the ufo community

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disclosure disclosure in 2021

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prg all of his efforts

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and insight all that and much more i

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know what's coming up tonight with

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stephen

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it's always a great conversation

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tomorrow night right here

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attorney james lowe first time guest he

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is here to talk about the uap task force

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to the senate intelligence committee he

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penned a very special book

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i have the advanced copy of said book

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and this will be distributed to

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journalists and capitol hill

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in advance of the report and

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more on that tomorrow night not only on

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but what this book is okay so

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we will talk about all of that tomorrow

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it's going to be great

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and then thursday of course is another

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all night long all right now

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um over the weekend

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uh we gifted lisa frith

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a skull for her birthday

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and it was a very special skull and that

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this very special skull and it's

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extraordinary and we got that skull

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and i know um everybody saw it and went

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oh man that's amazing

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it is we got that crystal skull from

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carolyn ford

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all right and you can go to einstein the

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crystal skull right now

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and see what carolyn ford has she has

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the very best

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go over to jimmychurchradio.com click on

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the banners einstein

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promo code is jimmy that's all you got

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to do jimmy

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10 off of your crystal skull order today

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right now okay just go she has

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the the best the absolute best and

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i made the announcement last night i

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will be at the ufo megacon

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june 6th through the 12th in laughlin

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nevada i want you to come and hang out

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with us because this is in person

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live for real people in person

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the amazing lineup of speakers and

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everything

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is at laughlin uh ufomegaconference.com

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and i've posted up the links in social

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media i want you to go and check it out

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due to our 250 person attendance limit

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and what this also means with only 250

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imagine how many fade to black shirts

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are gonna be at this conference all

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right and you want to be there

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wearing your fade to black hat all right

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i need you to go now and get your

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all right now also um i posted up

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surfer okay

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as you know surfer has been a sponsor of

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this show

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for a couple of years and they love

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the fader knots today they launched a

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kickstarter campaign

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and this is how cool this company is all

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they want to add five new features

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to the app all right and

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and the app is free and and everything

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else and you can go

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right now and help them on their

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kickstarter campaign

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it's only seven thousand dollars that's

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it it's not a hundred thousand not a

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that's how cool this company is seven

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thousand dollars i just posted up

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in twitter the link to their kickstarter

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all right fade or not get together and

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get things done

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the kickstarter campaign

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also everybody over on youtube right now

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in the description box below is the link

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to kickstarter i want everybody to rally

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and get this done and get it done now

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all kinds of really cool features and

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things that you get for donating

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and and to the kickstarter and and

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helping surfer out

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and i want to show surfer the power

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of the fader knots and what a family is

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okay so i've got everything up right now

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it's on the description box in the video

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it's up in twitter

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i've got it over on facebook it's all

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i want to get this done i want to get it

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done now okay

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church radio that's right

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man there's some things going on in

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it's uh and and facebook i'm going to

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uh all of this in just a minute it's a

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it's a crazy world out there

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favorite tv shows of all time you know

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right i've got this listed and number

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one it kind of rotates with the flavor

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of the week but it's always been you

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star trek the original series lost in

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space ufo space 1999 gilligan's island

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you know the greatest tv series of all

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greatest tv series of all time and i

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if it's ever gonna get kicked off my

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number one

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rick and morty rick and morty

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is my now new new greatest tv series of

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all time this is not a joke

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if you haven't seen rick and morty

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fader knots i'm just telling you

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right now and don't let the title of the

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well you know what uh you've got to go

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there's four seasons out

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i'm telling you stargate

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is great beyond measure rick and

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morty oh my goodness gracious

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it's it's just the best it's the best

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all right let's move on let's get to the

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breaking news rick and morty

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rick and morty fans out there going

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church you're late to the bandwagon dude

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yeah now that's been my number one for a

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long time okay i get it

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i get it credit goes to my daughter

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she goes uh you guys have you guys

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and no i haven't watched rick and morty

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it's the best tv show ever

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oh stop stop with that cartoon

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all right i can't thank her enough

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deanna i'm telling you rick and morty

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number one greatest tv series in the

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amazing all right let's get to the

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breaking news

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u.s intelligence has assessed that north

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could be preparing to carry out their

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first weapons test since president joe

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all of this according to several united

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u.s officials are on alert as the u.s

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and south korea conduct scaled-down

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simulated military exercises and the

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tony blinken and his defense secretary

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lloyd austin are in

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asia right now for meetings with their

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japanese and south korean counterparts

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based on imagery and other intelligence

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north korea is preparing for a missile

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or

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was conducted in march of 2020.

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we will keep you posted on this well i

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know you heard the news

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but it is official as of yesterday that

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the talk the tv show and a lot of people

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they do probably not you but people do

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watch it and the talk is

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airing reruns this week

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that's because the cbs daytime talk show

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on a brief hiatus following a heated

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sharon osbourne wife of ozzie and

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cheryl underwood regarding osborne's

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piers morgan that's right on

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hiatus it'll be back it will

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fragments of a biblical scroll dating

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back 1900 years have been discovered

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in the cave of hora in the judean desert

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in israel the cave's existence has been

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known for a long time and it gets its

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mockery name

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from 40 ancient human skeletons that

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were discovered there in the 1960s

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the newly found biblical scroll is

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written in greek

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it dates back to the bar kochma revolt

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and

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contains passages from the books of

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zechariah and nahum

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the israeli antiquities authority said

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in a statement

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released today the hebrew bible

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the the scroll i should say are from

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one book in the hebrew bible of 12 minor

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prophets now

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the headlines today a little side note

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of all of this

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the headlines today we're talking about

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uh

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dead sea scrolls and this is another

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dead sea no

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no two different parts of the country

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have nothing to do with each other they

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they span

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uh quite a bit of distance and time this

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has nothing to do

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with the dead sea scrolls all right

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asteroid 2021 ek3 shot past earth at

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12 kilometers per second or roughly 43

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000 kilometers per hour at 9 45 pm

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last night the 21 meter 2021

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eq3 passed the planet at a distance of

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check this

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only 167 000 miles between the earth and

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the moon

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nobody knew about it before today is

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ova however the 9 meter 2021 ej3 will

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pass the planet at just 471

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000 miles shortly after that

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the 16 meter 2021 ew3

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will pass at 1.4 million miles and then

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later on tonight the 34 meter 2021 dt

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will pass us at 4.3 million miles

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but this is just a mere prelude to the

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visit

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of truly monstrous proportions the

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golden

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gate bridge sized asteroid

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2001 fo 32 will pass earth on march 31st

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in just five days get ready for that

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let's get the show

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cracking happy birthday to today one of

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my favorite actors right now

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alan todd today is 50 years old of

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course he

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started the tv series firefly and he's

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also the star

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of resident alien flavor flav today is

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62

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jimmy nail today is 67

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starting the film still crazy one of my

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favorite films of all time

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playing bass in the band strange fruit

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hearts

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nancy wilson today is 67 drummer jimmy

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degrasso today

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is 57 jimmy played in david lee roth

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leader forward ozzy osbourne docking

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white line suicidal tendencies and

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ynt our dead guy's birthday today is

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jerry lewis

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1926 of 2017 died at the age of 91

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comedian actor muscular dystrophy

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telethon host

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who formed one of history's greatest

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comedic teams with dean martin

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he received lifetime achievements awards

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from the los angeles films

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critics association the american comedy

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awards and the venice film festival

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great films like the nutty professor

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it's a mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad

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mad world

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and the king of comedy the king of

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comedy was great

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jerry died at his home in las vegas

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nevada on august 20 2017

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at the age of 91. on this day in history

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1926

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robert h goddard successfully launches

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the world's first

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liquid fueled rocket it traveled for two

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and a half seconds at a speed of about

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60 miles an hour

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reaching an altitude of 41 feet

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and landed 184 feet

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away fader fact here you go

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fader fact during the height of the

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california gold rush an

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egg from a chicken would cost the

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equivalent

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of 25 in today's money

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one egg coffee went for

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100 a pound and a pair of

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boots would have set you back

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more than twenty five hundred dollars

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and that is your fader fact tonight

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steven

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bassett is joining us he will be with us

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at the bottom of the hour we're going to

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be talking about

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disclosure in 2021 and all of the

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efforts of prg

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that are going down right now we've got

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some other stuff

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we're going to talk about tonight as

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well now let me get to

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talking about that this weekend

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yes at the house talking about that

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river moon coffee commercial

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but i'm telling you it's that good

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rivermoonwellness.com the links are

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right there at jimmychurchradio.com

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river moon coffee the best fade to black

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blend game changer blend

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all right promo code f2b blend it's all

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you got to do 15

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off of your order today all right ah man

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it's too good i'm gonna do this one more

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man coffee's so good you sip it twice

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so today a very

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known individual i won't say popular i'm

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not gonna go there

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that wouldn't be correct well popular in

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certain circles

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i guess but let's just go with

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known okay we'll do that for now

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this individual posted this message

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throughout social media quote

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1.9 trillion that could have given

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every american a million dollars and

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saved

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1.5 trillion think about

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now i'm looking at this and thinking you

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can't be serious

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but there was the post with the likes

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climbing

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now i'm no phd we all know this

436
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but it took me all of about two seconds

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to do the math

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two seconds without a calculator mind

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you

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and inside of two seconds the number

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that popped into my head was

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wait for it hundred dollars

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fifteen hundred bucks per person

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for 350 million americans now

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my numbers of course are off i'm not

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punching into anything

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but i'm not stupid super simple

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1 billion is 1 000 million 350 billion

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350 million americans all right get it

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plus or minus whatever doesn't matter

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one 000 bucks per person that's what

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that is right there just boom

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done kids don't get anything subtract

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them

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take the kids off the list at half go

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back 1500 bucks

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that's it that's what my brain did

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and you still have 1.5 trillion left

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over right

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my god so simple to understand

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even for me because i'm not smart

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so who would post something this stupid

463
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:30,080
well as scary as this thought is that

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there is somebody

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out there who's dumb enough to actually

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get things ready prep the post

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look at it read it and then click the

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post button with a mouse

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00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,960
who is that stupid

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now i'm not going to disclose anything

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00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,480
and you might have already seen it for

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yourself but i'm not throwing anybody

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under the bus

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it's not my nature the really scary part

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is that there were hundreds of people

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who clicked the like button

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there's more than that actually

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a hundred you know hundreds hundreds who

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don't have a grasp

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of basic really basic math

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who don't think for themselves anymore

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who will read

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anything in social media and accept it

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as truth

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taking things a step further

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it's in the comments by the way

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with things like 350 million americans

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could have built homes for the homeless

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and fed everyone in the country forever

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with a half a million dollars left over

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in the bank

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for all americans every americans in the

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united states right comments like this

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how stupid are you people now

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if it's just one comment like this fine

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just one stupid person

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okay get it but there were many many

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more

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just like this and a few of them that i

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but i'll leave that right here you can

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there were also those who knew basic

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math

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and posted the real numbers and and made

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their comments and yes

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that was pretty refreshing to see but

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i guess i still have some faith in

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humanity and social media thank goodness

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right

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but the second third butt that i gotta

510
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get to in this rant

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but there was no response from the

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original

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poster no

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nobody really commented on the correct

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math either why because they didn't want

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they didn't want to believe the correct

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math

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i think that's guaranteed i don't want

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to believe it

520
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,760
now math is wrong did the original

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poster do the right thing and pull the

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post down

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nope it's still there i just checked

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00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,320
the facebook fact checkers caught up

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with it though

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00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,600
i saw the original post right as it went

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up

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and then an hour later it was flagged

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flagged with false information and of

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course

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now the comments are dude facebook

532
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,000
doesn't want this info out there

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00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:34,720
you're flying right over the target man

534
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:35,279
i i

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00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:39,520
cannot believe the absurdity of this

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00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,559
crazy world here is an actual comment

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00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:47,200
an actual comment i'm quoting this is

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word for word

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00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,279
quote that would have upped the economy

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private schools businesses the housing

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00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,120
market too

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00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,159
but they don't want us all better off

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with the million dollars people could

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easily pay for their own health and

545
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,120
dental insurance

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00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,830
the insanity the original post in just

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three hours

548
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,279
was shared over 100 times

549
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and how this spreads out over and

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through facebook to numbers that you

551
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,480
can't even imagine

552
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,039
and i'm sure that it was probably viewed

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00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:24,559
a million times

554
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,960
and liked so i did a little surfing

555
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,240
i clicked on some shares and holy crap

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00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,510
going on the record just reading through

557
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:39,360
the comments outside of the original

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00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,480
post i'm just

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00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,799
going through and seeing how this is

560
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,600
spreading

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00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,720
all over the place and just reading

562
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,720
through those comments i can only come

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00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,360
to one conclusion

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00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:54,720
people are idiots man it's

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crazy it's the simplest of the

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i i flunked algebra

567
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,600
i flunked algebra in the ninth grade

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flunked algebra

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i had to go to summer school

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00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,240
today after i flunked out of algebra i

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go to summer school i get an a

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got to be skated through it the the

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teacher was just

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being nice to me but uh and i thought

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that i got a basic right i gave up

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i did not want to do algebra 2. i had to

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take

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geometry to graduate high school and i

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barely made it through that my my

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teacher mr lumley

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uh who was also somebody who i kicked

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his ass and backgammon and back ammon

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and chess

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checkers and back admin club he knew i

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was smart he couldn't beat me at

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backgammon and we also talked about the

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lord of the rings

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a lot so mr lumley gave me a pass card

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in geometry i got a c

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i got a c i didn't deserve it he just

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coached me through it

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but i'm just not a math genius but that

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post even i the guy who flunked out of

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algebra

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can read this and do the math in my own

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head

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absolutely incredible incredible people

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are lazy today

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incredible this is fade to black i am

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your host jimmy church

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people are idiots man

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[Laughter]

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this is fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight stephen bassett

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joins us

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we're going to be talking about

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tonight

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tomorrow night attorney james lowe is

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here we're going to be talking about the

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uaptf

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uh task force report it's

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like 90.

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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matthews

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welcome back fade to block i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight stephen bassett is

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here

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tomorrow night attorney james

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lowe and it's going to be an

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extraordinary show tomorrow night

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with james just like steven tonight

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tomorrow night jim lowe

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is penned a new book he's penned a new

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book i've got it here

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to be distributed just amongst the media

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in capitol hill in advance of the uap tf

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report so that'll be tomorrow night

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tonight

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steve steven is the executive director

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of the periton

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paradigm paradigm wait wait

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parrot time stephen it's it's your new

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00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:39,520
project

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00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,119
parrots yeah are are you hip to that

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00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,359
yeah i'm ready for that okay good the

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paradigm research group

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founded in 1996 to end government

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00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,119
imposed embargo on the truth behind the

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so-called ufo phenomenon

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00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,560
he has spoken to audiences around the

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world about the implications of the

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formal disclosure by world government

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of an extraterrestrial presence engaging

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00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,280
the human race

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00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:06,400
now we all know about prg's advocacy

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work

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00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,400
and the huge press conference at the

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national press

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00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,000
club in washington dc back in uh 2014

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00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,400
uh i i just messed that up because i

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jumped ahead

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00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,760
and what i'm trying to do instead of

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reading the

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normal ginormous bio that i have for

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stephen

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that's what i get for going off script

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00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,480
stephen

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00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,040
but uh seeking the first hearings on

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capitol hill since 1968

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00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,280
regarding the extraterrestrial presence

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issue and working to see that the issue

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included

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00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:42,640
in the ongoing presidential campaigns

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00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,359
now

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his website is paradigm research group

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00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,680
dot org stephen i i'm so excited to have

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00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,280
you on the show i'm tongue-tied

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00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,400
and that doesn't happen often my friend

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uh even keeping late nights my friend

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00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,400
i'm undoubtedly playing your guitar

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until late in the morning and living

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your past glories as a rocker

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00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,560
yes uh actually that has more truth to

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it

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years of detox

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uh to get rid of the 1980s in this whole

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body of mine

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00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,079
there's no question about that um crazy

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00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,520
times uh that we find ourselves in uh

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00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,240
right now stephen and things are are

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heating up out there

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uh like never before and watching uh the

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chatter

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00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,640
going around in official and unofficial

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00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,839
circles

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00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,599
but starting to get a little bit

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00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,520
tangible to me

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00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,320
and i don't know of another way to

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00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,000
express it than that does it feel the

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00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,680
same way to you

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00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,400
it's been very tangible for me for some

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00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,520
time

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00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,560
uh it's almost overwhelming the amount

812
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,160
of activity

813
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,800
new people coming into play or upping

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00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,920
their game

815
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,200
the number of things coming from

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00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:59,359
government books being published people

817
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,640
jumping in

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00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:03,599
uh it's happening faster than i can keep

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00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:03,839
up

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00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,280
but it's all confirming what i've said

821
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,119
already numerous times

822
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,800
we barring a bad thing happening around

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00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,800
the world somewhere i mean really bad

824
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,640
right we should be in the last weeks and

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00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,400
months of the truth embargo

826
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,680
heading towards disclosure and there are

827
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,800
certain things that have to happen

828
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,640
between now and then

829
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,680
i see those things taking place so

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00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,720
it's a big deal i mean

831
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you could you could spend all your day

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00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:36,800
just reviewing

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00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:41,200
the postings the blog the the podcasts

834
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,960
the articles coming out investigations

835
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,079
being reported

836
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,160
not to mention countless tweets and

837
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facebook

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00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,750
social media is happening it's just

839
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starting to

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explode it's that simple which is what i

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fully expected

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00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,960
as we are in the last days how much i

843
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,640
you know i'm gonna ask you a question

844
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,560
that i've never asked you before

845
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:11,839
but how much do you put

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on documents

847
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,319
i i do you know and and you know they

848
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surface from time to time sometimes they

849
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:22,480
come in in loads

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00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:26,640
um how much credence do you put into

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00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,680
documents from supposed official sources

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00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,359
and then of course you have freedom of

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information act um

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00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,359
official documents too as well how much

855
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:38,400
weight do you put to those substantial

856
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,359
amount of weight it's

857
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,880
they're all part of the evidentiary

858
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:43,520
matrix which is huge

859
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,400
and uh we do have quite a few documents

860
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,319
the government has interfered in that

861
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,319
process though

862
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,760
you you only get what the government

863
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,280
will will give you you no matter how

864
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,880
many fois you file

865
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,000
you're going to get what they're willing

866
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,760
to release and you're not going to get

867
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,800
the good stuff

868
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,880
there so but so many fois have been

869
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,400
filed on the et issue

870
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:06,160
there have been accidents where things

871
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,760
got sent out that probably shouldn't

872
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,720
have been sent out

873
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,160
but then the government has also put out

874
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:11,839
i believe some false documents and so

875
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,400
forth

876
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,880
uh to muddy the waters this is all part

877
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,319
of the truth embargo

878
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,720
and and documents are sophisticated

879
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,079
evidence

880
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:22,000
you really need to have strong skills to

881
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,359
be able to confirm a document most

882
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,319
people don't

883
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,319
and so there's been endless arguments

884
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,960
about this document that document

885
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,880
but they're all part of the evidentiary

886
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,160
matrix and

887
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,720
many of them i think are very compelling

888
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,359
uh

889
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,480
with that

890
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,560
some people have voted years to the

891
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,760
document issue

892
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,680
uh certainly the leader there has got to

893
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,200
be uh john greenwald

894
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,119
sure and all of that evidence will be

895
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:48,720
very valuable and come into play

896
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,160
as we move finish up this era

897
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,079
get to the post-disclosure world is when

898
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,640
the documents really come into play

899
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,920
they're all going to be reviewed there's

900
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,760
going to be many more released and the

901
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,119
historians will just

902
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:03,440
jump on them i mean like a pile of

903
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,319
leaves

904
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,319
and just wallow around in them for years

905
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,839
and that's great i'll be doing other

906
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,800
things but

907
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:11,280
believe me they will have their day now

908
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,839
um

909
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,640
and you just brought up one of the

910
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:17,680
points that i find the most intriguing

911
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:21,040
that some of them may not

912
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,319
be real yeah right some of them

913
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,160
and and i'm not talking about something

914
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,839
created by

915
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,400
uh somebody with photoshop with too much

916
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,000
time on their hands

917
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:35,680
talking about you know purposefully

918
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,720
uh released for disinformation and

919
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,640
that's where we have to

920
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,920
uh not only use discernment but try to

921
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,800
figure out what

922
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,040
actually is going on because that

923
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,880
certainly seems to be the case not only

924
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:51,119
historically with ufology because we've

925
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:51,520
got

926
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,200
all of that in the past

927
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,560
to talk about but today where we are in

928
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,640
this very heated moment

929
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,280
now we don't know what is real and what

930
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,119
isn't do we

931
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,000
we i think the the more knowledgeable

932
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,920
researchers have a pretty good idea

933
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,040
of the best stuff nobody i think

934
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,000
has a perfect uh a sense of it but we

935
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,680
have a pretty good idea

936
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:20,000
uh but i still have a different take on

937
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,280
that

938
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,680
the government puts out some false by

939
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:25,200
the way this is a classic tool of

940
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,160
intelligence sure

941
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,240
there's an extraordinary story about

942
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,599
where the british

943
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,880
uh took a dead body uh

944
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,680
put him in a uniform put gave him a

945
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,280
briefcase with a bunch of little

946
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,560
artifacts in it

947
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,720
and dropped him into the uh you know off

948
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,319
the coast of uh

949
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:45,680
spain uh so that he would eventually

950
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,200
come come to shore and and be seen as a

951
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,760
you know dead british officer but inside

952
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,720
that suitcase

953
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,920
was a bunch of plans regarding a landing

954
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,119
that the british were going to do in

955
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:59,040
greece in fact of course that wasn't

956
00:44:00,950 --> 00:44:00,079
where they were going to go there landed

957
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,960
sicily and so

958
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,400
the idea they knew that that was going

959
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,839
to get taken to the commandant there and

960
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:05,040
then he would take it to hitler and

961
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,079
that's what they did

962
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,760
and hitler ended up thinking that the

963
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,839
inva and the invasion was going to be in

964
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,480
greece

965
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,880
so is that's misinformation this is

966
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,920
classic stuff

967
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,000
and so they've done that in order to

968
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,839
keep us busy and so

969
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,880
my take is this i i didn't

970
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,640
i'm not saying it was wrong to do this

971
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,079
i'm simply saying that the government

972
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,119
wanted us to spend all the time we could

973
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,480
possibly devote

974
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,240
to trying to figure out which document

975
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,760
was real and which wasn't

976
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,599
as long as we were doing that we were

977
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,800
not coming at them

978
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:36,240
with okay when are you going to give us

979
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:37,200
the deal what are we going to get

980
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:38,319
disclosure here

981
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,119
one of them we're going to get

982
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,640
congressional hearings and so in a sense

983
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,920
but we didn't have much choice i

984
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:45,599
understand they weren't a yielding and

985
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,000
so

986
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,920
given that hey let's focus on the

987
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,079
documents can we and we did our best

988
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,079
and we argued like hell and went back

989
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,280
and forth at each other which

990
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,800
bothered me because that's exactly what

991
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,319
the government wanted to do

992
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,960
uh and i say to most people now i say

993
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,599
look

994
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:02,400
chill don't argue anymore this will all

995
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,440
get sorted

996
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:06,240
after disclosure right after disclosure

997
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,359
we will find out

998
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,119
what was real what wasn't what was

999
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,640
disinfo what wasn't

1000
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,560
and the researchers could go i was right

1001
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:14,480
i was wrong and we could all get along

1002
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:15,040
and

1003
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,119
the uh the new

1004
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,560
influx of interest

1005
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,760
into ufos post

1006
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,040
uh december of 2017 where

1007
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,599
this just brought in this huge wave of

1008
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,240
interest of the ufo subject

1009
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:39,839
those that that group of which it's it's

1010
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,160
probably millions actually

1011
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,240
they didn't go through what you and i

1012
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,839
went through in the 80s and the 90s

1013
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,880
and early 2000s with with documents

1014
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,079
and things and where uh things got

1015
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,440
elevated to a level of boiling point

1016
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,839
that words really can't express what we

1017
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,280
went through and i'm talking about

1018
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,400
mj 12 and majestic and serbo and

1019
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,839
right uh william moore

1020
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,720
everything that uh and what linda molten

1021
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:12,240
howe went through of course with bill

1022
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,040
doty

1023
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,079
where this was a

1024
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,680
concerted campaign and we have seen it

1025
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,960
all before haven't we

1026
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,880
so we know how to deal with it when it

1027
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,560
comes along right

1028
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:27,599
i was lucky i entered in 96 when things

1029
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,480
were starting to lighten up

1030
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,319
though there was some unpleasantness

1031
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:35,440
that took place between 96 and 2000

1032
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:40,319
but after 2000 it really changed

1033
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,560
as i've described it it wasn't that they

1034
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,240
ended the truth embargo obviously they

1035
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,079
didn't but they stopped putting any

1036
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,920
energy into it

1037
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,240
uh in other words there was sort of it

1038
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,839
had it had at that point was 2

1039
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,240
000 it had 53 years of momentum behind

1040
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,680
it it was kind of

1041
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,680
embedded in our in our culture and so

1042
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,040
they just kind of

1043
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,760
let it go forward on its own which

1044
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,920
helped to ensure that it would erode

1045
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:08,000
uh and so i come into 96 i did i didn't

1046
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,359
experience much but i know many of my

1047
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,560
colleagues what they went through and i

1048
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,599
what can i say

1049
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,880
but it's even going to get better for

1050
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:14,079
the ones that are coming up here really

1051
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,440
right now that are coming into play

1052
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,319
right now

1053
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,440
and there are a number i'm not going to

1054
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,520
name names but

1055
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:22,160
if there's like a there are rosie ruiz's

1056
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,800
there's going to be

1057
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,720
thousands of rosy reasons that are

1058
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,000
coming in right now

1059
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,359
they're going to cross the finish line

1060
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,040
with us and

1061
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,880
and and that's okay i have no problem

1062
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,319
with that now a lot of your listeners

1063
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,680
are going who in the hell

1064
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:36,800
is rosie ruiz okay i'm gonna tell you

1065
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,559
um rosaries is a is famous you can

1066
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,960
i don't the exact year slips my mind but

1067
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,800
she's famous because

1068
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,720
she entered back in i think it was the

1069
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,839
80s some

1070
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,880
early 80s mid 80s she she

1071
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,200
she was able to qualify for the boston

1072
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:55,119
marathon in the new york marathon though

1073
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:56,160
that is now

1074
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,359
i think eventually was found to be

1075
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,359
suspect but it had a little less

1076
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,880
attention to it so somehow she ran to

1077
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,400
get her qualification she goes up to

1078
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,319
boston to run a boston marathon she's

1079
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,079
got her bib on she goes to the

1080
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,400
start line and off they go and they're

1081
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,160
cruising on down at some point she slips

1082
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,440
off the race course

1083
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,440
gets a cab cruise on down for about a

1084
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:15,119
hundred thousand yards from the finish

1085
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:15,839
line

1086
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,960
right and uh and uh waits you know she's

1087
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,400
listening you know she's hearing

1088
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,400
and at some point the the woman leader

1089
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,000
is a certain amount out there

1090
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,280
and so she just quickly puts her bib on

1091
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:29,440
slips into the race runs the last

1092
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:30,400
thousand yards

1093
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,160
and wins the women's boston marathon and

1094
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,720
then she gets the prize and she gets the

1095
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,640
trophy they pick her up and everything

1096
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,960
and then some of the pros some of the

1097
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,359
top runners were looking her over and

1098
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,280
they sort of know they were looking at

1099
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,720
the calves they were looking at the

1100
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,800
musculature and they're going

1101
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,119
there's no way that she and by the way i

1102
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,880
think she almost set the record

1103
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,640
yeah she almost set the record she

1104
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,079
should have waited a little bit

1105
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,440
because that didn't help and they're

1106
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,680
going so they started checking the films

1107
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:02,319
and they discovered no she jumped into

1108
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,280
the race

1109
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,880
and then she went and then that was that

1110
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:06,480
she had her moment of fame she went on

1111
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,960
and and

1112
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,800
life didn't go so well after that and

1113
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:10,160
she had kind of a bad end

1114
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,839
but she was famous rosie reads hey

1115
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,280
these people coming in now are jumping

1116
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:17,040
in at the end of the marathon

1117
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,240
and they're not going to go through what

1118
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,839
we went through but that's that's life

1119
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,960
that's history

1120
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,520
right we chose to do this every one of

1121
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,200
my colleagues chose to do this and let's

1122
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:26,960
face it

1123
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,920
the satisfaction that i will have uh

1124
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,680
once disclosure has taken place and now

1125
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:33,119
we're dealing with post-disclosure which

1126
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:33,680
is going to be

1127
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,200
mega fun is that much greater because of

1128
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:39,280
the 24 years i put in and i'm sure that

1129
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,599
for

1130
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,280
lyndon moulton howe who i think has put

1131
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:42,839
in 50 years

1132
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,480
45 uh her degree of satisfaction

1133
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:49,839
and sense of empowerment so forth will

1134
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,480
be great

1135
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,640
the rosie raised people not so much but

1136
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,839
they'll have a lot of fun

1137
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:55,200
and and then everybody's going to want

1138
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:56,559
to participate in the post-disclosure

1139
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,359
world i mean

1140
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,280
everybody's going to be involved in that

1141
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,559
and uh

1142
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:03,040
i think your listeners base will

1143
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,000
increase your

1144
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:07,119
twitter followers will increase you'll

1145
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,160
be good

1146
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,200
i uh i often

1147
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:13,520
wonder and when we look at you know some

1148
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,240
you know like

1149
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:17,520
dolan's book and and things where you

1150
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:20,960
start to look at a post-disclosure world

1151
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,319
um i always had a vision of it

1152
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,880
to go a certain way and it was never

1153
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:27,920
really influenced

1154
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,800
by others right i just had my own uh

1155
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,000
take on it

1156
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,119
which has changed and i just

1157
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:38,640
feel stephen like for the first time

1158
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:41,920
i don't see people freaking out i i

1159
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:46,160
i i don't see the people that are around

1160
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,440
me that are not part of

1161
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,960
i'm talking about friends and family

1162
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,200
that have nothing to do with ufology or

1163
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,680
ufos and have never seen an episode of

1164
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,920
of ancient aliens or have never listened

1165
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,319
to this show they don't know who you are

1166
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:01,760
right they are ufos

1167
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,520
yeah so what right it freaks me out of

1168
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,440
course we're not alone

1169
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,319
this is the attitude and i think it's

1170
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,480
going to be a little bit more blase the

1171
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:14,079
government's going to have some issues

1172
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,520
with the lies

1173
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,480
that they've been dealing with but the

1174
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,920
earth

1175
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,359
i'm not so sure if there's going to be

1176
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:22,960
the big freak out do you

1177
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:26,800
no no no look i just re-read

1178
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,920
what i consider to be

1179
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,839
perhaps the most important book written

1180
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,520
on this subject and i

1181
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,079
i mean no disrespect for any other

1182
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,240
researchers and authors

1183
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:40,720
but this book was a monumental

1184
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,599
achievement

1185
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:44,000
and it is witness to roswell by don

1186
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,640
schmidt

1187
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,760
and thomas carey where they brought

1188
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,960
together they they

1189
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,079
finally brought together almost all

1190
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,839
a great deal of all their witness

1191
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,000
research and testimonies and deathbed

1192
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:57,680
confessions and so forth and so forth

1193
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,280
put together it is overwhelming

1194
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:04,319
if you if you if you if somebody said to

1195
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,640
you

1196
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,599
haven't really followed this at all is

1197
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,200
there one book that i could read that

1198
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,880
will pretty much slam dunk it for me

1199
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,520
right yeah there's et's here okay it's

1200
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:15,520
witness to roswell

1201
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,640
if you read that book and once you're

1202
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,160
done

1203
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,119
it's unless you're a committed skeptic

1204
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,359
where being a skeptic is your life

1205
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,599
uh there's no other conclusion that you

1206
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,440
can come to then

1207
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,599
there was a crash vehicle at roswell

1208
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,040
there were dead bodies

1209
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:36,000
and the evidence is overwhelming for

1210
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,520
just on the base of witness testimony

1211
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,280
which these men have put together in

1212
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,720
this extraordinary book

1213
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,480
and that's it so once and once you've

1214
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,760
got that

1215
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,680
then the rest just falls into place in

1216
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,359
other words once you

1217
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,160
you you you finally understand without

1218
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:52,319
any doubts in your mind that there was a

1219
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,359
an extraterrestrial crash at least one

1220
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,280
maybe more than another one in new

1221
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,280
mexico and in july of

1222
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,640
uh 1947 and that there were bodies

1223
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:04,800
uh and the cro that vehicle was clearly

1224
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,839
not of this earth once you've got that

1225
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,160
then everything kind of falls into place

1226
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,559
because now you know at the same time

1227
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,040
that the u.s government and very soon

1228
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,559
every major government

1229
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,119
knew as early as 1947 that there was an

1230
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,720
extraterrestrial presence

1231
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,559
and now you can you can think about all

1232
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,319
the things they've said and done in

1233
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,880
the subsequent years in light of that

1234
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,079
fact because once you

1235
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,480
you know they've known all along so much

1236
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,319
of what happened makes sense

1237
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,800
it falls into place and then as you read

1238
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,720
anything else about the et's it's easier

1239
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,559
to take it in that one book

1240
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:42,000
is just ideal and i i can't commend it

1241
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:42,880
enough

1242
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:46,240
um so

1243
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,559
in terms of the post-disclosure

1244
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,640
uh we don't know exactly how it's going

1245
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:54,079
to go oh the reason i brought up the

1246
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,960
book

1247
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,319
is that some of the testimony in the

1248
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:58,240
book that's most uh

1249
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,520
compelling is that there were

1250
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,760
many people a number of people that

1251
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,640
witnessed

1252
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,880
saw the bodies and the wreckage and so

1253
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,240
forth in different

1254
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,520
parts of the of the saga but some of the

1255
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,960
townspeople

1256
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,480
one of the politicians some of the

1257
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,559
nurses got extremely

1258
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,520
upset extremely upset this was

1259
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,960
frightened the hell out of him scared

1260
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:21,760
the hell out of him

1261
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:25,760
and i am not surprised at that 1947

1262
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,200
uh no no no preface to this

1263
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,680
nothing suddenly there it is and the

1264
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,520
bodies of course stunk to high heaven it

1265
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,400
was awful

1266
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,319
and they were mangled and they were

1267
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,440
really upset

1268
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,920
and then of course the military came

1269
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,000
around and started threatening everybody

1270
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,839
they were threatening everybody i mean

1271
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:45,440
anybody that they could get in front of

1272
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,799
they were basically saying

1273
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,559
you you never talk about this or we will

1274
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,000
kill you and your family

1275
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,240
they did it to who knows how many scores

1276
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,839
of people and so

1277
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,920
he had that on top of it and they had

1278
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,280
ptsd they were

1279
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,880
and they kept silent for most of the

1280
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:00,559
rest of their life that was

1281
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,400
that was 1947 that was 73 years ago

1282
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,960
three quarters of a century the amount

1283
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,760
of e.t

1284
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,760
stuff that has poured into the world

1285
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,040
culture since then

1286
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,440
the movies the docs the books the tv

1287
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,680
series and on and on and on and on

1288
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:18,559
you you yeah man it would fill a massive

1289
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,359
library

1290
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:22,079
and so this isn't 47. and people are

1291
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,200
going to go yeah

1292
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,440
that's cool and now what do you got for

1293
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,760
me now i'm not saying they won't get mad

1294
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,880
or be irritated panicked you know

1295
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,559
drinking a bottle of scotch like one

1296
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,000
politician did back then after

1297
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,680
he saw the bodies went back so upset

1298
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,960
drank a whole bottle scotch and went to

1299
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,720
sleep no they're not going to do that

1300
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,240
they may drink some champagne to

1301
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,880
celebrate so yeah and

1302
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,839
and there are plenty of people in

1303
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,920
government that know this they they've

1304
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,760
come to understand that

1305
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,880
i i learned years ago that back in 2000

1306
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,400
and uh

1307
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:55,040
i think it was 2004 to 2007 the

1308
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,480
government

1309
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,960
handed off to a major firm in washington

1310
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:01,680
dc a major public relations firm

1311
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,280
a major pro big project and that was

1312
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,720
game out disclosure

1313
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:11,520
tell us how you think it will go right

1314
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,000
all the

1315
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,839
you know the lead up the afterwards all

1316
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,440
the factors put all things together

1317
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,520
it took three years and gave the report

1318
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:19,119
so they were they've been studying this

1319
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,559
this is not new they know what's going

1320
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:22,400
on and again

1321
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,200
that is why it's not it makes sense

1322
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,280
what what happened with the ttsa the

1323
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:30,640
move by the dod

1324
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,760
to enter the issue through a a surrogate

1325
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,880
operation

1326
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,720
uh because they could not publicly do

1327
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,079
this themselves i'm not saying it's

1328
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:39,680
formal i'm just saying it's emerging out

1329
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,400
of there

1330
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,920
and then have them move forward with

1331
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,599
with actions like the new york times

1332
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,040
material and all these stories

1333
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,839
there's more to come uh is because they

1334
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,079
they get it they know like you and i

1335
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,599
nah there's no panic people are not

1336
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,680
gonna quit the catholic church

1337
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,599
you know divorce their spouse they're

1338
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,520
gonna basically sit in front of their tv

1339
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,960
if they're lucky to have one

1340
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,680
and nothing and watch it for weeks on

1341
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,480
end because

1342
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:04,319
it will dominate the news for quite a

1343
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,839
while and much more

1344
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,680
in a much more entertaining way than the

1345
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,839
news has been dominated late

1346
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,359
i don't think there's any question about

1347
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,319
that and i think it's going to be

1348
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,079
uh it's not going to be the end of

1349
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,839
civilization wall street's not going to

1350
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,680
collapse the vatican is not going

1351
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,880
anywhere

1352
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,760
it's not going to be that um it's it's

1353
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:25,440
going to be the next chapter in human

1354
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,319
history

1355
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,000
and how we move on i totally it will be

1356
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:33,280
captivating television and news uh

1357
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,880
for for a decade it's it's gonna be

1358
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,079
very interesting yeah i let me put it

1359
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:41,599
this way it will be part of

1360
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,799
human existence forever uh humans get

1361
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,240
bored pretty quickly you'll be

1362
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,040
shocked at how quickly they adapt to the

1363
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,640
et presence okay

1364
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:53,280
i mean first of all everything on amazon

1365
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,079
will have an et

1366
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,839
face on it or something i mean et

1367
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,520
underwear et toothbrushes

1368
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,440
e.t teddy bears whatever the hell right

1369
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:01,040
but it's all et they're gonna they'll

1370
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,160
get sick of it pretty quickly

1371
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,720
but one thing that will be the same

1372
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,839
afterwards

1373
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,440
is that the day after disclosure the

1374
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,960
world is going to have all the exact

1375
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,960
same problems they have right now

1376
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,559
and that you can there's a big list

1377
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,079
right big list of these problems you're

1378
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,559
going to have all of the same problems

1379
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,520
and all the things that we know are are

1380
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,680
going wrong and can get worse right now

1381
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,520
that will still be the case the day

1382
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,119
after disclosure

1383
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,240
the difference is that the way we

1384
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,480
look at these problems may very quickly

1385
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,160
not day one but soon

1386
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,280
change it may alter its elect a

1387
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,880
different prism a different

1388
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:39,280
uh look will start to spread around the

1389
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,240
world

1390
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,720
which i believe may lead to us actually

1391
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:43,359
doing

1392
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:46,400
fix

1393
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,079
these problems that's where disclosure

1394
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,720
pays off i don't think it's possible the

1395
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,920
human race to say

1396
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,599
okay there's et's here yeah they've been

1397
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:57,119
engaging us yeah they've been taking

1398
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,760
people and

1399
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,280
dealing with them in various ways

1400
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,960
contact these abductees and yeah they

1401
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,319
got technology and the other government

1402
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,359
knows about it

1403
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,200
but you know hey that's interesting now

1404
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,880
let's get back to [\h__\h] things up

1405
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,319
right let's get back to screwing up the

1406
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,880
planet no i just don't think so

1407
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,599
how but how that's all going to play out

1408
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,200
i just want to be part of it i just want

1409
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,480
to play a little part in that

1410
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,400
post-disclosure roll out and

1411
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,640
and where we go because the opportunity

1412
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,839
for an activist like myself

1413
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:22,880
post-disclosure

1414
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:26,720
is far greater and far more expansive

1415
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,119
than

1416
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:29,440
in the the lead-up to disclosure this

1417
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,240
difficult

1418
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:32,400
period i was watching uh david

1419
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,280
attenborough's

1420
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,319
new film and uh

1421
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,160
you know about nature and the planet and

1422
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:40,559
where we are uh today and his

1423
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:43,839
life of of adventure

1424
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,920
but what he and it's a great film

1425
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,520
but what he brought up was one of the

1426
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:51,920
most interesting points like

1427
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:55,760
that you just brought up which is

1428
01:00:03,270 --> 00:59:59,119
we have managed since 1960

1429
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:03,280
1965 when the world was still

1430
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,040
half wild half wild

1431
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,319
half wild it's not that way anymore in

1432
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,280
in 1960 the population of the world was

1433
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,880
three billion

1434
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,760
and in in obviously we know now it's

1435
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:19,440
seven and a half billion closing on

1436
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:19,839
eight

1437
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,280
soon to be ten and the world isn't half

1438
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:25,680
wild anymore it's 25

1439
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,710
got to stop and take care of and fix

1440
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,599
what we have

1441
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,839
now what's going to be the big wake up

1442
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,760
call i'm going to tell you right now

1443
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:40,079
it's going to be e.t and you want to

1444
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:41,680
know why not for the reasons other

1445
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:42,000
people

1446
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,680
think i think it will give us a reason

1447
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:48,319
to take care of the planet to have a

1448
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,440
future

1449
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,920
a reason to move forward if we're alone

1450
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,119
in the universe

1451
01:00:58,270 --> 01:00:56,559
screw it

1452
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,280
burn this sucker down man

1453
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,920
[Laughter]

1454
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,720
let's just party there's no reason and

1455
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,839
do you understand

1456
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,720
uh why i'm leaning that way and and it

1457
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,880
took attenborough to just kind of close

1458
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,720
that case for me

1459
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,079
that's where my head's been at for some

1460
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,760
time there's no question let's go back a

1461
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,280
little further

1462
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,359
at the beginning of the 20th century the

1463
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,079
population of the planet was about 1.67

1464
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:21,920
billion

1465
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,079
but the technological release revolution

1466
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:26,160
was starting to get going we know where

1467
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:26,799
that went

1468
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,400
right all of the the ways that we

1469
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:33,359
learned how to uh to create and hire

1470
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:35,280
production and so forth

1471
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:39,040
have we been a little more knowledgeable

1472
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,160
and more

1473
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,319
i don't know mature i don't know there

1474
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:44,240
was a moment there

1475
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,400
when wow if we if we were to somehow

1476
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,920
globally interact with each other and

1477
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:51,280
come together with a population

1478
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,000
management

1479
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,880
program that's non-coercive but

1480
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:57,039
incentivized and so forth and really

1481
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:57,839
worked

1482
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,880
to level the population off and then

1483
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,160
that technological

1484
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:05,200
advance explosion had continued as

1485
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,400
expected

1486
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:09,039
so that you you as the century moves on

1487
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:10,160
you've got about the same number of

1488
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,359
people

1489
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,160
but the technology and the resources

1490
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,920
available to that same number of people

1491
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:17,440
just grew and grew and grew

1492
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,400
we had the potential for a paradise an

1493
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,319
absolute paradise

1494
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:24,559
instead but we didn't have the ability

1495
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,520
to interact

1496
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,200
country to country at that level and

1497
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,440
come to that kind of understanding

1498
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,520
and we were still committed in many

1499
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,520
cultural ways and religious ways to like

1500
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,119
you can't have too many kids

1501
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,880
so what we did is said world war one

1502
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:38,319
okay so we have world war one

1503
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:41,839
it's awful beyond description and

1504
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,920
uh that gets over uh the population is

1505
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,359
increasing

1506
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,720
and uh as we approach

1507
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,960
well then we had world war ii okay let's

1508
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,799
stop well stephen let's stop

1509
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,559
right there i got to get a commercial

1510
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:58,000
break-in and

1511
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:01,039
that's the perfect segue and we will

1512
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,000
roll into world

1513
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,280
war ii when we come back after this

1514
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,200
short break our guest tonight

1515
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,359
the executive director of the paradigm

1516
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,960
research group

1517
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,960
stephen bassett i am your host jimmy

1518
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,319
church this is fade to black

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01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:16,480
or steven after this short break stay

1520
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welcome back fade to black i'm yours

1643
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:38,480
jimmy church i guess tonight's stephen

1644
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,920
bassett prg

1645
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,440
we're going to discuss tonight we've got

1646
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,960
some other stuff we're going to get into

1647
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,040
at the bottom of the hour uh but we are

1648
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,839
discussing disclosure in 2021 the

1649
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,759
changes that the planet

1650
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,359
has been going through what a

1651
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,799
post-disclosure world

1652
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,640
will look like and right before the

1653
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:59,040
break stephen we were discussing the

1654
01:09:02,309 --> 01:08:59,920
changes

1655
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,319
at the turn of the century population

1656
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:04,400
one and a half billion people world war

1657
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:04,960
one

1658
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:08,000
then we got to world war

1659
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:11,520
ii yeah we have world war

1660
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:15,040
ii which is the big one uh the war to

1661
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,080
end all wars

1662
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:19,120
uh and uh that wraps up in

1663
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,440
in 45 with a couple of nuclear bombs

1664
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,679
all right at that point the population

1665
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:27,679
was about 3 billion

1666
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,520
so it had doubled from 1.5 to 3 billion

1667
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:34,159
but a lot more people were aware that

1668
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,279
hey wait a minute okay

1669
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,440
look we've had this war to end all wars

1670
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,799
we sort of know how bad it can be we've

1671
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,319
got nukes and stuff

1672
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:42,319
if we can get it together now if we can

1673
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:43,679
come together as a

1674
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:46,400
as a globe and deal with the issues

1675
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:47,199
before us

1676
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:50,719
disarm develop incentivize but

1677
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,520
non-coercive

1678
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,520
population management programs and

1679
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,840
concepts keep the population down

1680
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,679
the technological explosion is picking

1681
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:59,920
up speed industrialization was

1682
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:02,560
incredibly increased during the war this

1683
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:03,840
planet could be fine

1684
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:07,679
it could be fantastic that was 1945.

1685
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:11,520
what we chose to do was to launch a

1686
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,840
cold war and over the next 44 years

1687
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,360
uh spent trillions of dollars on nuclear

1688
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,400
weapons and

1689
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:20,320
other weapons systems and and a bunch of

1690
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,520
proxy wars where

1691
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,800
we couldn't fight each other because of

1692
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,560
mutually sure destruction so we

1693
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,800
fought proxy wars on other people's soil

1694
01:10:31,149 --> 01:10:28,560
and shed their blood

1695
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:31,159
uh and we did that all the way up to

1696
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,400
1991

1697
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,280
and that's when it ended at that point

1698
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:37,360
again we had another opportunity okay

1699
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,159
look

1700
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,199
the soviet union has ended they let 14

1701
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,440
republics go

1702
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,679
the whole the remaining soviet republics

1703
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,360
went capitalist they're cranking out

1704
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,800
millionaires left and right

1705
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:51,440
they outlawed the communist party we won

1706
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,320
okay

1707
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,159
now's the opportunity let's let's

1708
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,560
there's still time let's come together

1709
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,719
as he planned planet use the united

1710
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,840
nations more

1711
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:02,400
uh whatever it takes get things under

1712
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,120
control

1713
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,159
population management no

1714
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,640
that's not what we did instead we went

1715
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,840
forward with what is now

1716
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:12,320
a shadow cold war which has been

1717
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,120
continuing

1718
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,000
since then more arms development more

1719
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:17,920
proxy wars more trillions of dollars

1720
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:18,640
spent

1721
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,000
on uh on weapon systems and so forth

1722
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,239
and no population management and and so

1723
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:27,360
we reach the present time say 19 2017

1724
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:31,280
and the population is 7.5 billion

1725
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:35,360
five times what it was in 1900

1726
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,640
and at that point we're screwed

1727
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,280
yeah we had we had three golden four

1728
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,199
golden opportunities

1729
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:45,360
uh and we had we had the knowledge i

1730
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:46,640
mean there weren't people that didn't

1731
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,760
know this

1732
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,600
but they they couldn't coalesce they

1733
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:51,120
couldn't they couldn't enough leaders

1734
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,239
were not listening to them

1735
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:54,239
there was just not enough critical mass

1736
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,360
but it was always

1737
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,600
there the concepts were there the way to

1738
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:59,040
go forward was there

1739
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,480
as of 2000 no not no we we'd screwed

1740
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,840
every opportunity

1741
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,239
uh everything was going to hell uh the

1742
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,679
risk of nuclear war was greater than

1743
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:09,440
ever and we were basically screwed

1744
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,199
okay not that i'm not used to that

1745
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,239
i mean i i was born uh about a year and

1746
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,000
a half after the nukes were dropped on

1747
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,840
japan i've lived my entire entire life

1748
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:22,080
under the nuclear damocles sword i've

1749
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,120
always assumed there's going to be a

1750
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:24,880
nuclear war i've always felt we were

1751
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,440
screwed

1752
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,040
i had a little hope at the end of the

1753
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:28,719
cold war started to go hey we may get

1754
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,440
out of this

1755
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:31,120
but so the idea that we were screwed

1756
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,960
wasn't that new to man it was okay

1757
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,560
however

1758
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,840
by uh 2017 i was like

1759
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,719
21 years into the et issue and i had new

1760
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:42,159
perspective on things

1761
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:45,280
all right yeah we're screwed but we may

1762
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:45,760
have

1763
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,719
jail free card and of course

1764
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,120
it's disclosure now the interesting

1765
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,880
thing about that is it isn't an

1766
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,280
accident i do not believe at all this is

1767
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:59,920
just an accident and we just got lucky

1768
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:02,880
the et engagement since 47 has been

1769
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,360
taking

1770
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,840
all of this into account they are aware

1771
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:07,199
of the population increase they are

1772
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,159
aware of the echo

1773
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,640
biosphere degradation they're aware of

1774
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,640
the the failure to deal with conflicts

1775
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,800
weapons they're aware of most of our

1776
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:16,239
craziness

1777
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,440
and there are implications for them

1778
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,520
there always were and because of those

1779
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:23,360
implications for them

1780
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:26,239
and also perhaps concerned that we have

1781
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:27,520
a civilization here

1782
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:31,040
be time ashamed to waste it right uh

1783
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,239
they have created a process

1784
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,320
that they have helped to feed they've

1785
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,159
helped to push it forward

1786
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,159
and that process is the disclosure small

1787
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,520
d process

1788
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,520
ultimately creating a situation where

1789
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,120
acknowledgement is inevitable and we

1790
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,640
have to do it we do it

1791
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:48,239
and then once we have acknowledged their

1792
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,760
presence disclosure has taken place we

1793
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:51,199
go post disclosure

1794
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,280
we go et 24 7 and by the time we're

1795
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:57,040
you know year or two we're so thoroughly

1796
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,400
up to speed on everything

1797
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,000
they can now disclose themselves they

1798
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,719
can now go open contact with us not just

1799
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,719
secreted contact sure and we can

1800
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,880
actually get down to business

1801
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,920
i'm getting out of business i mean

1802
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,199
they're talking to the whole world in a

1803
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,040
sense through whatever

1804
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,440
media get down what's the business the

1805
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,719
business is look you got to get rid of

1806
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,400
the news

1807
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,320
you got too many people that's kind of

1808
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,679
something we could talk about but look

1809
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:21,040
you've got to get rid of the nukes and

1810
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,159
we say well why

1811
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:24,719
because if you don't you're going to use

1812
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:25,199
them on

1813
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,800
yourselves and destroy yourself and we

1814
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,480
think that's a terrible waste

1815
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:31,199
but more importantly you can't engage us

1816
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,719
unless you do

1817
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,320
in other words you're about to you're

1818
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:36,000
about to figure out interstellar travel

1819
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,880
you're right there i

1820
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:39,360
i i'm following the science it's it's

1821
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,000
close

1822
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,840
people online right now that you know

1823
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,360
are fine you're basically saying they've

1824
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:47,199
already figured it out and there's been

1825
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:48,800
huge efforts inside the government we

1826
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:49,760
don't even know about

1827
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,840
but we know intellectually that there's

1828
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,679
a workaround to relativity

1829
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,360
because there has to be otherwise they

1830
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,719
couldn't be here they're not from mars

1831
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,840
they're not from saturn

1832
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,760
they're from another solar system and

1833
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,360
the nearest one

1834
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,440
at 50 000 miles an hour would take

1835
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,199
something like 4 000

1836
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:07,760
i mean i'm sorry 20 000 years to get to

1837
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,480
so

1838
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,520
gonna have interstellar

1839
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,960
that's great that'll be look you you'll

1840
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,640
be able to go to the galaxy but we got a

1841
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,920
problem with that

1842
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,400
because you're gonna take your nukes

1843
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,080
you're gonna take your nukes

1844
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,159
of course you are and we're not gonna

1845
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,760
let you do that there's no way we're

1846
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,199
letting you loosen this solar system

1847
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,719
when nukes in an interstellar craft you

1848
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,280
get it

1849
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,800
that's why we've been pushing this all

1850
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,719
along there are other reasons but that's

1851
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,920
that's the key one

1852
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,600
why we're not just waiting i mean we

1853
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,520
could continue to take people and we

1854
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:37,360
work with them or hang out with you take

1855
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,640
samples whatever the hell

1856
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,800
for another 100 years 20 doesn't but

1857
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:42,000
unfortunately

1858
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,280
the nukes now we can blow them all up

1859
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,120
we could do a lot of things to basically

1860
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:50,000
uh uh denude you of the ability to do

1861
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,280
much of anything

1862
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,880
but that's destructive i mean that

1863
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,800
that's that's not the way we roll by and

1864
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,520
large

1865
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,920
there's another way you get rid of the

1866
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,920
nukes you get rid of the nukes

1867
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:02,159
your your your your stress levels will

1868
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,360
go way down

1869
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,120
you'll have a lot more money to invest

1870
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,480
in i don't know food

1871
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,239
clothing shelter health care whatever

1872
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:10,080
the hell and

1873
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:11,199
you'll be able to build those

1874
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,040
interstellar craft and in the meantime

1875
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,360
we have maybe the ability to help you we

1876
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:19,199
do have some really nifty technologies

1877
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:20,480
and some of these could help you there's

1878
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,679
nothing you can give us but

1879
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:23,760
we can help you what people say well why

1880
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,800
would they want to do that

1881
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,640
it happens in the earth all the time

1882
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,400
advanced countries have been giving

1883
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,159
technology and help to other countries

1884
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,159
for for a hundred years or more

1885
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,880
if not longer it's typical sometimes

1886
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,000
it's exploitive

1887
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,239
sometimes it's altruistic but yeah look

1888
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,679
you're you're not developed we are

1889
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,120
here's some tech help you out

1890
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,199
like you know vaccine vaccination

1891
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,880
everyone in the middle east for cholera

1892
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,400
virtually eliminated in a short amount

1893
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:48,400
of time they have healing techs they

1894
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,199
have

1895
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,159
so the potential benefits that could

1896
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,320
come from open contact

1897
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:56,400
agreeing to get rid of the nukes being

1898
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,679
able to go interstellar and maybe

1899
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,360
getting et technologies that all within

1900
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:01,840
the next couple of

1901
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,120
for someone that gets that you could see

1902
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,520
and i'm not saying many people have

1903
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:09,199
though i think the numbers growing i get

1904
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,400
it i think you get it

1905
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,159
you could see how you would get worked

1906
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,080
up you could see how you could get

1907
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,320
pretty passionate about this

1908
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,480
right this isn't some pie in the sky

1909
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,560
idea it is essentially a simple

1910
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,960
straightforward extrapolation of 70

1911
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,640
years of evidence that we have gathered

1912
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,880
all this time and what we know

1913
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:28,880
there are other possibilities but i

1914
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,000
would love to argue with

1915
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:33,280
any futurist or harvard professor about

1916
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:35,199
these other possibilities and hear what

1917
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,640
they have to say about it

1918
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,080
i don't think it would be a fair fight

1919
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:39,760
so in any of it that is

1920
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,159
the the context that we are in right now

1921
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,400
as we possibly get to the end of the

1922
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:48,320
truth embargo in which case

1923
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,040
now i get to drop a a nice a nice one

1924
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,560
here into the show

1925
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,159
to help you with your ratings and

1926
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,400
everything uh

1927
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:58,239
this is uh i have some more important i

1928
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:59,360
have some important stuff to talk about

1929
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:00,239
later but

1930
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:01,760
uh this one i want to get out early

1931
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,719
while everybody's still awake

1932
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,719
it is coming across you know first of

1933
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:08,400
all the amount of activity going on is

1934
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,719
just

1935
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:10,640
impossible to follow the number of

1936
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,320
podcasts a number of articles a number

1937
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:13,840
of investigations going on the number of

1938
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,880
this a number of that

1939
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,199
the new people jumping in higher quality

1940
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,280
people new books are coming out

1941
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:21,280
e-t-e-t you can't find a skeptic

1942
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,480
debunker anywhere i mean

1943
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,239
literally i mean they're all they're all

1944
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:25,440
they've all moved to an island in the

1945
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:27,040
south pacific or something seems that

1946
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,440
way

1947
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:30,000
just don't dare show up right now uh

1948
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,520
there are a couple that occasionally

1949
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,960
do something on the facebook or

1950
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,320
something and say something but it

1951
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,840
doesn't go very far

1952
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,400
and so okay fine we know that but now

1953
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,560
it's coming across my radar

1954
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,239
that something is in the works and it's

1955
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,400
huge

1956
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:46,159
the new york times put out two articles

1957
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,920
in december of 2017. these were

1958
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,360
bombshell articles

1959
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,360
huge article they they they knew how big

1960
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,800
they were uh

1961
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:55,440
they vetted them and they put them out

1962
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:56,320
uh

1963
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,679
they knew how important they were which

1964
01:19:03,430 --> 01:18:59,600
is why i believe they they brought ralph

1965
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,440
uh they brought ralph uh blumen um

1966
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:05,520
yes into the articles now i'm not saying

1967
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:06,719
he didn't help right i'm sure he

1968
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,760
contributed

1969
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,520
but you know leslie kane is a very

1970
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,679
accomplished writer and knows the field

1971
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:14,000
and and ellie cooper's cup he didn't

1972
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:15,360
really need ralph

1973
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,440
so why would they bring him in because

1974
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:19,199
he's a two-time pulitzer prize winner

1975
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,640
and a legend in journalism

1976
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,480
they wanted to give extra gravitas to

1977
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:24,239
let everybody know we're serious about

1978
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,719
this

1979
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:26,640
all right otherwise ralph is not going

1980
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:27,920
to attach his name to a couple of

1981
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,199
articles that are going nowhere

1982
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:31,360
and so okay they put these out and then

1983
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,560
what have they done since

1984
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:34,320
not much there have been a couple of new

1985
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,600
york times articles that have been

1986
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,199
interesting and yeah okay

1987
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:39,280
and they may revisit it a little of that

1988
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:41,440
but pretty much standard stuff

1989
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:44,080
but keeping their toe in the water but

1990
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:45,120
you think that's

1991
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:48,239
all oh no what i what i believe is

1992
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,280
happening

1993
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:51,120
is that over the last three years they

1994
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:52,719
have doing they've been doing

1995
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:56,159
investigative journalism on the issue

1996
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:59,120
which is what has never been done no one

1997
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,320
of the major journalist

1998
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:02,320
organizations have gone investigatory on

1999
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:03,679
this that was the deal on the truth

2000
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,400
embargo

2001
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,239
write up stories tell this tell that

2002
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,639
review this but you don't send

2003
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,880
some woodward and bernstein's down to

2004
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,800
the to the pentagon and go through our

2005
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,239
trash you know what i'm saying

2006
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:16,080
you don't you don't try to find inside

2007
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,159
sources to meet in garages in roslyn

2008
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:20,080
to pass you secret documents you don't

2009
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,360
don't investigate

2010
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,280
right because there's a truth embargo

2011
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,600
and and what for whatever

2012
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:27,520
reasons whatever that booth it became

2013
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:29,679
institutionalized and they stuck with it

2014
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:33,120
but times have changed post the ttsas

2015
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,840
launch in 2017 times have changed

2016
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:38,000
and so i think they have they have been

2017
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:39,120
investigating some

2018
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:42,239
serious stuff in that three years now i

2019
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:43,679
think they could have published some of

2020
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,639
this

2021
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,440
before now but they learned their lesson

2022
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:49,520
from 2017

2023
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:51,440
you you could put out some bombshell

2024
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,639
story into that

2025
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,639
political mess that was going on in this

2026
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,320
country and it was just going to drop

2027
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:57,840
into the ocean it was just going to

2028
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,960
be dissipated no one could pay attention

2029
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,320
right and then eventually you had the

2030
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,159
political mess plus the covid

2031
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:06,480
and so like no keep keep doing the

2032
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:08,000
research they're not telling anybody

2033
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:09,520
nobody knows about these stories i'm

2034
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,920
almost

2035
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,600
i mean public doesn't know that's you

2036
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:13,360
would never announce it

2037
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:16,960
wait for things to settle down and then

2038
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,199
you can put those out well things have

2039
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,040
settled down haven't they

2040
01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:24,080
i believe there's some major stories

2041
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:25,800
coming out of the new york times

2042
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,280
investigatory right in which they have

2043
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,440
dug into some of the most famous stuff

2044
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,880
that we know about

2045
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,480
and they've gotten their own information

2046
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:35,840
and added new information and they're

2047
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:36,800
going to publish under

2048
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:39,679
the new york times heading if i'm right

2049
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:40,560
about this

2050
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,760
the first one you see the first new york

2051
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:45,840
times investigative story independent

2052
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,320
meaning

2053
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,239
it wasn't handed to them by leslie kane

2054
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:50,159
or luis elizondo they took their own

2055
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,679
people they went out and got it

2056
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,320
right that's all you need to know that

2057
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:55,440
hearings are going to follow very

2058
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,800
quickly

2059
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:59,199
because these new york times stories of

2060
01:22:04,390 --> 01:21:59,840
substance

2061
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:04,400
the perfect additional coverage that's

2062
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:05,120
needed for the

2063
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,880
hearings being prepped in advance by

2064
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,800
melon is important that's fine

2065
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,520
but there's all of the politicians in

2066
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,960
town are going to view this as a huge

2067
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,040
risk particularly the committee people

2068
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,120
and so anything that gives them cover to

2069
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,960
accept these hearings of okay let's have

2070
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,280
the hearings let's have the witnesses

2071
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,880
takes the pressure off of them and

2072
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,800
heavy-duty new york times investigative

2073
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,560
stories will make it much easier for the

2074
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:30,480
committee chairs to go okay look

2075
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,239
we got to get on this bring the military

2076
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:34,080
witnesses in we're going to hold senate

2077
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:34,960
until herring's

2078
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:38,080
congressional here hearings in the house

2079
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:39,600
uh we're going to get first-hand

2080
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,960
testimony and we're going to get on top

2081
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:42,560
of this ourselves to congress

2082
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:45,280
so we we have information to decide

2083
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:45,840
about

2084
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,600
uh what we're going to do and how we're

2085
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,440
going to respond and that then the

2086
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,280
hearings take place and i've said before

2087
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,800
many times where that goes

2088
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:55,040
after a certain number of weeks or days

2089
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,920
of hearings

2090
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:58,080
the president will be basically green

2091
01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:00,639
lighted he'll have the green light

2092
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:02,080
to go ahead and announce the disclosure

2093
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,239
event it it will be safe

2094
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,760
it will be appropriate and will be

2095
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,440
properly received

2096
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,760
not as a shock surprise from a president

2097
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,000
who knew all along and telling us today

2098
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,639
but rather a president responding to

2099
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,400
huge testimony under or

2100
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,320
under oath in front of the in front of

2101
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,239
the congress

2102
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,560
broadcast to the world so it's right

2103
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,480
there and all the president is doing is

2104
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:26,239
acknowledging the truth of it knowledge

2105
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,520
and the reality of it

2106
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,520
and that takes all the political risks

2107
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,960
most of the political risk out of it for

2108
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,920
everyone

2109
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,760
and a lot of people most people are not

2110
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:34,800
going to know the history they're not

2111
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,199
going to

2112
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:38,239
not care about what didn't happen in 68

2113
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,080
or what didn't happen in 40

2114
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,639
47 52 they don't care about that they're

2115
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,159
carrying what's happened right now

2116
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:46,320
what's happening right now would be a

2117
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:47,679
appropriate

2118
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:50,320
fully vetted pro process in which

2119
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,199
information is

2120
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,360
bring forth under oath the congress

2121
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,440
responds the president responds

2122
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,080
the announcement is made and now what

2123
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:59,760
more can we learn

2124
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:02,239
this is the way to do it and there'll be

2125
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:03,440
minimal

2126
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,280
least

2127
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,760
you know uh trolling of the government

2128
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,360
now that will come

2129
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:13,040
after disclosure after things settle

2130
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,960
down there will be people that are going

2131
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,639
to start raising a host

2132
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:19,360
of things which need to be discussed and

2133
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:20,239
answered for

2134
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,520
and in some place some of it's very

2135
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,760
unpleasant but it won't be that big a

2136
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:25,199
deal i mean people will say okay yeah

2137
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,239
that's not good but

2138
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:28,880
hey we got et's so like let's move

2139
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:31,120
forward what have we got

2140
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,960
so has has somebody has a reporter

2141
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:36,800
reached out to you

2142
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,000
or two or three is there chatter

2143
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:43,040
about uh an impending

2144
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,159
article and that we all know how it goes

2145
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,960
stephen every time one of these articles

2146
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,560
breaks

2147
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,040
all of us in the community uh get

2148
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:55,760
contacted and we all talk to each other

2149
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:56,639
and

2150
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:00,880
that somebody has reached out to you

2151
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,239
all i can say is

2152
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:07,120
my radar what is my radar my radar is

2153
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,840
like

2154
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:10,800
i'm on the social media i'm following

2155
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:12,080
scores of researchers

2156
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,360
i'm following all the news agencies uh

2157
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,760
and i've got search terms in google i'm

2158
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:19,440
getting all of the articles and all the

2159
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:20,639
stuff and that's coming in

2160
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:21,840
and i'm reviewing that's where the print

2161
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,400
media archive comes from so that's

2162
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,480
my radar right and then i get some

2163
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:27,760
private emails things like that

2164
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:31,199
so all i can say is that that radar that

2165
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:34,960
total picture it's it's coming across

2166
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,679
i'm getting it so you have you have been

2167
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,840
contacted that's okay i'm not i'm not

2168
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,280
saying that i'm not saying that

2169
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,040
i'm saying that i'm seeing it on my

2170
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,360
right look if i if i had been contacted

2171
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,280
directly

2172
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,840
and and and told you can say that

2173
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:51,040
something's coming but you can't use the

2174
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,639
name i would do that

2175
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,239
uh but if i was contacted directly and

2176
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
told you can't use a name

2177
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,920
i would i would i wouldn't use the name

2178
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,920
uh or you can't even relay it i wouldn't

2179
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,960
relay it

2180
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:02,560
i'm simply saying that i'm paying

2181
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,560
attention and that's what i'm sensing

2182
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,960
now look even if you were someone

2183
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,560
contacted you and said this guy doesn't

2184
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,159
mean he's going to come

2185
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:12,159
and they everybody and anybody can

2186
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:13,520
change your mind at any time

2187
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,560
all right but this is say that there's a

2188
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,800
there's some historical forces going on

2189
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:20,719
here that are like the tide

2190
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,760
okay uh look sometimes the tide is

2191
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:25,280
bigger and sometimes it's smaller but it

2192
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,560
always comes in

2193
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,719
all right when you when you when when

2194
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:30,400
you know this the circumstances are set

2195
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:31,679
up it's the right time of day the tide's

2196
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:32,320
coming in

2197
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:35,360
so there's historical forces are moving

2198
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,000
forward

2199
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,440
so that when something looks like it's

2200
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:39,360
going to happen it's pretty likely it's

2201
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,480
going to happen

2202
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,719
because history doesn't turn around like

2203
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:44,719
the tide and head back out

2204
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:48,159
i i like your take um

2205
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:52,639
that to get out and in front of

2206
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:55,679
the uap task force and and this

2207
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:58,960
report that now we know we're 90 days

2208
01:27:02,310 --> 01:26:59,360
out

2209
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:02,320
now stephen right it's it's not 180 days

2210
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:02,960
anymore

2211
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:06,159
no it's getting closer and

2212
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:10,719
that uh the way to handle the impact of

2213
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:11,120
that

2214
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:15,280
is to

2215
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,639
have something break in the media uh

2216
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,080
look i i invite people to not put a

2217
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:23,840
whole lot of

2218
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:26,719
energy into this report all right it's

2219
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:27,280
not

2220
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:31,120
that big a deal it is a maneuver by uh

2221
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,719
rubio clever maneuver

2222
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:36,719
setting up a situation where some

2223
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,760
agencies

2224
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,520
would provide something to the senate

2225
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:40,960
intelligence committee we don't know

2226
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,520
what

2227
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,520
it could be very little it could be

2228
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,520
groundbreaking we have no idea

2229
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,840
that's not the pr that's not the the

2230
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:49,280
driver here that's not the lead

2231
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:52,480
uh dog on this on this uh dog sled

2232
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:56,320
uh the the historical process is the

2233
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,520
hearings

2234
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,600
which may be preceded by major articles

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01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,120
of the new york times

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01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:04,320
right that's what's important what we

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01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,679
get maybe get from some of these

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01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,440
uh like the o and i or any other

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01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:09,120
agencies that are responding to rubia's

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01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:09,440
uh

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01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,800
request is could be nothing

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01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,639
and in fact that's a very significant

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01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,800
thing it could be nothing

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01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,400
right i mean they've played this game

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01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:20,080
before right

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01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:21,840
now if you look at all the documents the

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01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:23,199
cia was shoving out the door and

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01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,080
everything else

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01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,760
clearly that we know where the trend is

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01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:27,840
going however

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01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,920
there's still opposition to this process

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01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:31,600
within the military intelligence complex

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01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:32,000
there are

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01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:33,360
plenty of people that would be happy we

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01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,719
never learned about this at least while

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01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:36,000
they were alive

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01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:37,600
and they may suddenly get an upper hand

2258
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:38,639
and next you know we get a bunch of

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01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:40,159
dribble

2260
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:41,920
and that would be awful why if we don't

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01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:43,760
if we don't get the hearings done before

2262
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:44,880
that report

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01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:47,520
and the report comes back it's like it

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01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:48,000
gives the

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01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,440
suddenly gives all the politicians an

2266
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:51,120
excuse oh well look there's nothing

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01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,760
there

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01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:53,600
so they they can bail right we don't

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01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:55,040
need hearings they just they just gave

2270
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,639
us reports said it's no big deal

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01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,400
like the false reports we've gotten for

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01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:59,840
decades some of which were

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01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,159
very expensive 10 20 million bucks

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01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:03,760
they're going ah no big deal that we

2275
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:04,719
can't let that happen

2276
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:07,199
on the other hand if the hearings take

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01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:08,320
place soon

2278
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:11,440
before the report comes and everybody in

2279
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:13,440
those agencies is seeing these witnesses

2280
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,719
come up on the hill these military

2281
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,560
witnesses under oath testifying to

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01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:18,320
nuclear weapons tampering and all

2283
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,440
everything else we know about and

2284
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:21,280
probably more we don't know about

2285
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,920
the message to them is clear you better

2286
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:25,920
come up with some serious stuff

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01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:29,199
dudes we we don't want any half-assed

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01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,600
stuff

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01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:31,360
you better bring us some serious dig

2290
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:32,719
down do some declassific what have you

2291
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,440
got to do

2292
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:35,679
let's give us some more add on to this

2293
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,480
testimony

2294
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:39,120
and thus it gets even more powerful even

2295
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:40,480
if we don't need it

2296
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:43,520
because again so this is kind of a rid

2297
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:45,120
of a root not a ruse

2298
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,199
but it could be a a straw man it could

2299
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:51,040
be a head fake

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01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,639
uh and that's the way i encourage people

2301
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:54,400
to look at it i understand why people

2302
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:55,600
are all fired up because they think this

2303
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:57,040
is it this is disclosure

2304
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:58,239
they're going to come back with docs

2305
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,679
it's going to show it that's not the way

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01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:01,120
it works and that's not disclosure it's

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01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,239
going to happen it's not going to come

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01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:03,600
from the o and i

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01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,600
right this is simply something that

2310
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:07,679
rubio did he'd have to do that

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01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:08,960
he didn't have to put that in there he

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01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:11,040
had a reason he put it in there because

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01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:12,560
he was briefed by mel and something was

2314
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:13,440
going down

2315
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:15,040
he was briefed by mel and he knows that

2316
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:16,480
something's gonna work and he wanted to

2317
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:17,600
get ahead of it

2318
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:21,520
this is his thing this is not the dod

2319
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,880
trying to get the o and i and other

2320
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:24,320
agencies to come up with a bunch of

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01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:25,360
stuff

2322
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:27,920
this is marco rubio making a play hey

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01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,480
great

2324
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,719
it got a lot of press it's raised the

2325
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:32,320
expectations

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01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,800
so i'm not saying it's not without value

2327
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:36,320
everything that's happening is helping

2328
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:37,920
to raise expectations

2329
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,920
but i'm trying to focus on the core

2330
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,840
process that's going on

2331
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:43,760
the you know the what's the word i'm

2332
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:45,520
looking for though

2333
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:47,840
anyway it's the big truck right that's

2334
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:49,120
carrying all the goods

2335
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:50,560
and then you've got some bicycles out in

2336
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:52,239
front and back and everything but the

2337
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:53,600
big truck and then we're talking about

2338
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:53,920
that

2339
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:56,880
new york times articles hearings

2340
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,480
military witnesses

2341
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,080
and then a decision by them by the white

2342
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:02,639
house very interesting uh chronology

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01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,920
there let's take our break

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01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:05,600
right here this is fade to black i'm

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01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:06,960
yours jimmy church

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01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:09,679
tonight steven bassett extraordinary

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conversation we're going to continue

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everything

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01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:14,159
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this short break this is fade to black

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host jimmy church our guest tonight

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stephen bassett

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and our guest tonight is stephen bassett

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and uh

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stephen i i i miss the message

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resend the message oh i just

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remember the images i sent you oh when

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you got those i've got those oh that

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that's between you and i

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yeah they're ready to go i've got it

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i've got it ready to launch

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so and before we get into that um

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i wanted to ask you this you're in

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01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:32,800
washington dc

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01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,639
you know uh more than most about how the

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01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:39,199
system works and we talk about

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01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,320
uh compartmentalization of

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of anything that is secret and it's a

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01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:46,239
need to know basis and

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01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:49,520
and things are uh shifted into parallel

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worlds and

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01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,800
what one person knows not necessarily

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01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,480
everybody else knows and

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01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,880
and with the ufo question that's got to

2462
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:58,320
come into play

2463
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:01,679
but i've often wondered how much power

2464
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:04,880
not not the president but how much power

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01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:05,440
does a

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01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:08,800
senator have the majority leader the

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01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:11,440
minority how much power does a senator

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01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:12,159
have

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01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:19,040
want it

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01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:23,199
can they can they do that

2471
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,119
they can request uh and

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01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,760
clearly any request from a sitting

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01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:30,960
senator

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01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,760
uh less so sitting uh house member

2475
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:38,320
can't just be ignored and so they can

2476
01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:40,480
put a little pressure

2477
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:42,159
stephen schiff was a wonderful example

2478
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,760
of this he tried to get information

2479
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:45,600
about roswell he was quite serious about

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01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:45,920
it

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01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:49,600
he was a former veteran air force band

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01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:53,040
republican and uh they gave the

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01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:54,480
runaround

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01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,679
uh and irritated made him mad

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01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,920
and then ultimately after he squawked

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01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:01,600
about that came back and said look

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01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:03,280
we what you're looking for is we can't

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01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,639
fight it's gone

2489
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:06,560
right he wanted he wanted eventually he

2490
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,679
wanted specifically

2491
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:09,440
the phone records out of roswell which

2492
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:10,880
had been extremely

2493
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:13,199
how would you say interesting and they

2494
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,080
were just gone

2495
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,639
and he got mad uh and so they shut him

2496
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,080
down but he was just a

2497
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,880
you know he was just a house member um

2498
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:22,239
but they look they've stonewalled

2499
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,440
presidents

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01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,760
so i assure you if they can stonewall

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01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:28,080
the president on this issue meaning

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01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,440
we're not going to even tell this

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01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,600
president what's going on

2504
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,320
uh they can certainly stonewall any

2505
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:35,520
member of congress

2506
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:37,920
so the power is limited the president

2507
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:40,719
ultimately has the power every president

2508
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,920
since well every president going back to

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01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:45,199
truman

2510
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,639
but every modern president of more

2511
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:49,199
recent has the power to end this embargo

2512
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,159
they've always had that

2513
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,159
you may say wait a minute no you say

2514
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:54,000
they stone walden so if they stone law

2515
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:56,000
and then they don't know

2516
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,360
no no the president is the

2517
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,040
commander-in-chief

2518
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:00,719
president appoints the secretary of

2519
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:03,600
defense the cia director and so forth

2520
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:04,719
the president has the right to

2521
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:07,760
declassify anything in government

2522
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:11,520
so any one of these presidents including

2523
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:14,880
uh trump including obama of course

2524
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:16,639
including biden they'll buy that's not

2525
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:18,159
the way to go

2526
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,920
if they had wanted to expend the

2527
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,760
political capital

2528
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,679
could have simply sent a emissary over

2529
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,520
to the dod

2530
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:27,520
to speak directly to the to the

2531
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:29,199
secretary of defense and possibly went

2532
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,239
to the cia

2533
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:33,280
and said look you're going to deliver

2534
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:36,560
to the president a complete

2535
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,840
comprehensive list of all of your

2536
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,400
programs

2537
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,400
and what you have on the et issue not

2538
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:44,159
necessarily giant boxes of files but

2539
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:44,800
you're going to give

2540
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,679
you know a total summary of everything

2541
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,159
and if you do not do that

2542
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:52,639
we're going to fire you you're going to

2543
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,320
be gone i mean

2544
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:56,320
they can stonewall a president but hey

2545
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:58,159
the president can fire you and now you

2546
01:40:01,590 --> 01:40:00,239
you somebody tells your place and then

2547
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:01,600
the people that take your place we're

2548
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,040
gonna ask the same thing of them and if

2549
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,040
they don't provide it we'll fire them

2550
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,520
and so make up your mind what are they

2551
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,119
going to do

2552
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,920
overthrow the government well so they

2553
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:13,600
were always under that risk but no

2554
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:14,880
president has done it

2555
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,159
right right and and and i ask this

2556
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,560
very important question because here we

2557
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,400
have a moment

2558
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,800
with the senate intelligence committee

2559
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,159
and the covet bill

2560
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,280
and marco rubio and this discussion

2561
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:31,679
about the uap task force and the

2562
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:32,880
disclosure of that

2563
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,159
which was extraordinary in of itself

2564
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:39,440
but that was a moment where i felt

2565
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:42,080
that marco rubio and the senate

2566
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:43,920
intelligence committee which

2567
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:46,639
holds a lot of weight could have

2568
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:47,679
demanded

2569
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,960
this information instead of requested a

2570
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,159
report

2571
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,719
and waited for what somebody else has to

2572
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,840
say about it

2573
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,320
instead of making a formal request for

2574
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:00,960
the information because the report

2575
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,400
is is is is just a suggestion

2576
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:06,480
right it's not law there's nothing

2577
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:09,520
legally binding anybody to produce this

2578
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:10,400
report

2579
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:18,470
could marco have taken a different tact

2580
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,679
is what i'm saying could he have

2581
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:21,360
demanded this

2582
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:25,520
that's not the way it works uh the

2583
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:29,679
for the senate to basically

2584
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:34,239
basically the senate to demand

2585
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,470
first of all the president can

2586
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:43,760
declassify

2587
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:48,480
right away they're blocked on that so

2588
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,560
the president doesn't evolve they could

2589
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:52,080
subpoena people

2590
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:54,080
but it would be a total fiasco i mean it

2591
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:55,119
would just be

2592
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,719
way over their head it's just not it

2593
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:58,719
couldn't happen so

2594
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:02,080
what he did was put in a a request and

2595
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,600
and it was in the comment section of the

2596
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,199
bill it wasn't in the enumerated section

2597
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,880
of the bill so it's made it even more of

2598
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:08,239
a request it wasn't right

2599
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:10,239
it wasn't like a legal enumerated i know

2600
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:11,760
it was basically

2601
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:16,239
yeah yeah it was marco rubio grabbing a

2602
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:17,840
piece of history okay he's a very

2603
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,119
transactional guy

2604
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:20,960
sure you know mark warner's name isn't

2605
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:22,320
on that mark warner didn't come forward

2606
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,679
and talk about that now he may have

2607
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:25,360
contributed that he may have supported

2608
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,000
the idea

2609
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:28,480
but this is marco look he's a smart guy

2610
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,520
he got briefed by

2611
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,199
some some witnesses maybe some pilots

2612
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,440
maybe melon and he put two and two

2613
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:34,960
together and say whoa

2614
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:37,600
this is big how can i get involved well

2615
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,320
what could he do

2616
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:40,320
hey came up with a very good idea let's

2617
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,159
put this in the intelligence bill

2618
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:43,679
now whether i don't think they had

2619
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,880
anything to do with the setting up of

2620
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,639
that task force the o and i that was

2621
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:48,239
probably the navy just kind of setting

2622
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,960
something up

2623
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,480
which is kind of a fault it's not a

2624
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,560
false thing but it's not a huge deal but

2625
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,760
it's the interface

2626
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:55,520
i mean there is i guess i'm trying to

2627
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,119
describe some of the complex

2628
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:59,280
maneuverings that are going on as as

2629
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:01,280
they deal with this

2630
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,719
uh opening up this uh unfolding

2631
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,560
right sure a lot of it they're playing

2632
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:08,159
it by ear uh

2633
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,920
they can't be too open about it but

2634
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,679
overall they're they're pretty smart

2635
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,199
people they they've been

2636
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,520
doing complex things for a long time and

2637
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:17,440
so ending the truth embargo was not that

2638
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:19,280
much more complex than the moonshot or

2639
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,400
world war ii

2640
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:22,080
so there you see these things but for

2641
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,760
most people it's very hard to

2642
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:25,520
to assess what does that mean and how

2643
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,880
important is that i get that's why i

2644
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,480
come in that's my job

2645
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:30,080
you know my job say okay look that's not

2646
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,080
a big deal this is a big deal

2647
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:34,159
and you know you listen and agree or not

2648
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:35,440
doesn't matter it's okay

2649
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:39,199
so again um the

2650
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:41,040
it's very limited what the the house and

2651
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:42,320
senate could do and again

2652
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,520
steven schiff knew this he the president

2653
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,840
president clinton was not only stone

2654
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:49,040
ball stonewall

2655
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,760
but he pressed them hard enough a lot of

2656
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:53,760
people don't know how hard he actually

2657
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:54,480
went after

2658
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,520
he finally got into it he grabbed he

2659
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,440
grabbed the bull by the horns

2660
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,360
and he put a lot of pressure on the air

2661
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:03,520
force so much pressure that

2662
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:06,960
sheila widnow had to authorize a study

2663
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,679
i think the study cost 12 million right

2664
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:11,840
it went on for a couple years

2665
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,040
a couple years yeah a couple years

2666
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,800
and they finally came up with a report i

2667
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,239
think in 90

2668
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:21,280
early 97 and it was the case closed

2669
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:22,159
report

2670
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,520
in other words it was the whole mogul

2671
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,360
balloon report just 12 million dollars

2672
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:26,880
to come up with a mobile balloon

2673
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:30,159
lie right so

2674
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,840
that's how serious they are about

2675
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:33,520
blocking the president on this

2676
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,199
spend 12 million dollars on a bogus

2677
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,000
report right all fancy and everything

2678
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:40,480
risk her legacy she was actually a very

2679
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:41,119
qualified

2680
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:43,840
very strong very intelligent talented

2681
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,480
woman

2682
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:46,960
but her legacy will always be tainted by

2683
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:47,679
this

2684
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:50,480
in order to quote keep president uh

2685
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,440
trump at bay

2686
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,600
so i assure you no senator is going to

2687
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:55,360
improve on that

2688
01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:58,480
the um the other part about this

2689
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:01,600
though is

2690
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:06,000
the basic basics of the united states of

2691
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,520
america

2692
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:10,000
is that it's a government for the people

2693
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,000
and by the people they work for us

2694
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:15,199
it's not the opposite way around

2695
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:19,119
and that is how we are supposed to look

2696
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:22,159
at our country

2697
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:25,360
doesn't the people of the united states

2698
01:45:33,430 --> 01:45:30,560
have the actual power to push this issue

2699
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:33,440
not exactly we have representative

2700
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:35,280
democracy

2701
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:38,320
we

2702
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,080
elect people to stand in our stead

2703
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:44,159
right in order to deal with the

2704
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:46,960
complexities of a vast country

2705
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:49,440
all right and that's the way it has to

2706
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,600
be i mean a full-fledged democracy where

2707
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:52,960
everything that gets done in government

2708
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:54,800
is put to a vote of the entire country

2709
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:57,360
i assure you it would be total chaos and

2710
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:58,480
it wouldn't work

2711
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:01,280
and so naturally when it comes to the

2712
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:03,760
most complicated

2713
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:06,880
difficult implicative issues

2714
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,560
that's when the representatives

2715
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:10,000
definitely

2716
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,040
have their role all right and

2717
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,920
so the the point is not shouldn't the

2718
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,280
american people

2719
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,159
uh uh be able to demand the uh the

2720
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:22,159
disclosure of the et presence because

2721
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,679
it's a government by the people for the

2722
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,360
people right

2723
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,400
it's a matter of can

2724
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,199
could the american people put

2725
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:33,840
representatives in

2726
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,440
that would uh exercise their powers

2727
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:39,119
and as a result help bring about

2728
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,639
disclosure representing the american

2729
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,080
people yes they could do that

2730
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,800
but one of the one of the the the uh

2731
01:46:49,709 --> 01:46:46,880
effects of the truth embargo

2732
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,719
again which is the successful

2733
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:51,280
misdirection

2734
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,719
lie of all history i don't think

2735
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,719
anything compares to it to how complex

2736
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:56,400
it was how long it lasted

2737
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:58,480
uh there was no way we were going to get

2738
01:47:02,070 --> 01:46:59,679
uh uh people

2739
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:02,080
in government you for most of the last

2740
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,679
70 years you couldn't get a

2741
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:05,920
a serious candidate for congress to even

2742
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:08,159
utter the word extraterrestrial

2743
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:11,440
or alien or ufo they were petrified of

2744
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:12,800
it for most of that time

2745
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:16,239
i was the first candidate ever on a

2746
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,960
congressional ballot actually on the

2747
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:20,719
november ballot now not some primary

2748
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,560
ballot talking extraterrestrials in the

2749
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,080
base this first one that was that was

2750
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:25,920
2002.

2751
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:27,760
since then there's been about three more

2752
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:29,119
but you see so that ain't going to

2753
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,880
happen so the representatives

2754
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:33,040
but can we can the people go around the

2755
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:34,080
representatives

2756
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:37,360
hey during the vietnam war we did that

2757
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:43,830
stepped we went in the streets we raised

2758
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:44,400
hell

2759
01:47:48,840 --> 01:48:01,910
uh

2760
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:04,070
it didn't get shortened at all i know

2761
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:05,520
that a lot of politicians were affected

2762
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:06,719
a lot of politicians did

2763
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:08,880
did step forward and try to address that

2764
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:10,480
war and try to end that war

2765
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,600
so the people were pushing them that way

2766
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:15,920
but but it wasn't so much they were

2767
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:18,400
electing anti-war candidates because the

2768
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,280
war

2769
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:21,840
was moving so fast they didn't get some

2770
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:23,360
in but overall that wasn't the way

2771
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:24,320
people were getting elected it's very

2772
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,920
hard to get elected on an award ticket

2773
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:27,280
by anywhere basis

2774
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:28,719
but there were those that were already

2775
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:30,639
serving that got on so they they brought

2776
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,480
some politicians but it wasn't enough

2777
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:34,320
and the war the american people have

2778
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:35,840
learned well

2779
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:38,080
well let me ask you this stephen uh

2780
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:41,760
going back to that 1997 report

2781
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:44,639
where the gao the general accounting

2782
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:46,639
office was pulled in

2783
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:49,040
and said we got nothing we looked at

2784
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,760
everything that's

2785
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,600
that's not that one this is the air

2786
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:53,600
force report but that's the local

2787
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:54,639
balloon report

2788
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:57,040
right gao is the report to uh stephen

2789
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:58,880
schiff to steven schiff

2790
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:02,000
so uh the gaos pulled in and you would

2791
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:02,639
think

2792
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:04,400
okay they don't they don't really have a

2793
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:06,400
horse in this race

2794
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:09,280
um they're gonna remain objective and

2795
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:10,560
they are going to

2796
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:13,119
get down to the numbers and they said

2797
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:14,880
we've got nothing

2798
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:19,440
if if things move forward in 2021

2799
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:23,199
like we see them happening does

2800
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:26,560
uh an agency like the gao

2801
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,080
now have to answer to that like a past

2802
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,239
report where they said we've got nothing

2803
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:33,920
now documents are coming out

2804
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:36,239
and everything else there was obviously

2805
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:37,040
a lot of

2806
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,840
something do they have to uh be held

2807
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:42,480
accountable

2808
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,159
will it be addressed oh yes it will uh

2809
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:51,040
this comes under public relations mostly

2810
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,239
um in most cases the people involved in

2811
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:59,040
much of this government shenanigans are

2812
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,480
no longer in the positions

2813
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,920
they were they're they're gone they're

2814
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:04,000
retired whatever right so we're dealing

2815
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,520
you're dealing with different people

2816
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,360
the agency though should be held

2817
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:09,280
accountable for for basically

2818
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,280
giving the run around to shift all of

2819
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:13,840
this i think will be dealt with but

2820
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:16,719
it will be a side show i mean i think i

2821
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,000
may get involved there but

2822
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,840
there will be a be kind of a side issue

2823
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:21,520
okay we need to let's get that out let's

2824
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,400
get this out

2825
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,320
you see how hard it is to get things out

2826
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:25,920
there's been so much crap going the last

2827
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:26,880
four or five years

2828
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:27,840
and they've been trying to get the

2829
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:29,760
bottom of it and my god it's like

2830
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:30,400
hurting

2831
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:31,920
camels in the middle of the desert it's

2832
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:34,880
ridiculous so it's not easy however

2833
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,840
this issue is so powerful and so

2834
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:38,000
nonpartisan

2835
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:39,599
it's not a public republican or

2836
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:41,920
democratic issue but i think that

2837
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:44,960
a lot of the stuff that happened will be

2838
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,920
vetted and out there and so people will

2839
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:48,800
know yeah okay

2840
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:52,159
this is what and this is important

2841
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:53,599
we do need to get a relatively

2842
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:55,599
comprehensive picture of how the truth

2843
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:57,840
embargo was managed

2844
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:59,760
how is it done what agencies were

2845
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:01,599
involved what did they do

2846
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:04,800
and so forth not not to to to sue people

2847
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,280
or

2848
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:07,360
take them to trial because again those

2849
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:09,119
people are probably gone in most cases

2850
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:11,679
but so we understand how it happened so

2851
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:12,239
we can

2852
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:17,990
do you think that i'm gonna have to jump

2853
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:19,360
in um

2854
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,639
do you think that the american people

2855
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:25,199
will be understanding with the

2856
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:26,719
explanations

2857
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,880
you know like the manhattan project okay

2858
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:30,800
a massive secret

2859
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:34,239
lies deceit cover-up because it just had

2860
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:34,960
to get done

2861
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:38,000
all right do you think that the american

2862
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:38,960
public

2863
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:41,119
the citizens of this country will be

2864
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:42,159
understanding

2865
01:51:47,390 --> 01:51:45,840
of the truth embargo absolutely

2866
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,400
they have just been told there's

2867
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:49,119
extraterrestrials

2868
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,360
and all kinds of amazing and interesting

2869
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:53,199
things could be coming out any

2870
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:56,159
day now and we we're not alone and all

2871
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:57,520
of this stuff and i assure you

2872
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:59,920
very few we're going to care that the

2873
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:00,639
gao

2874
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:03,760
jammed up stephen schiff back in 1996.

2875
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,040
they're not going to care that sheila

2876
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:07,920
whidnall broke her oath the constitution

2877
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,599
and stonewall the president they're just

2878
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:12,080
not going to care but history will care

2879
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,199
and and there will be certain

2880
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:15,199
individuals that will care for the

2881
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,040
reasons i've just mentioned

2882
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:19,119
this can never happen again we can never

2883
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,800
have a situation where the united states

2884
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:22,239
government

2885
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,159
literally lies to the people about

2886
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:26,400
something incredibly significant for

2887
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,360
70 not just lies but undermines the

2888
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:30,960
effort to find the truth

2889
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:34,480
misleads misdirects uh stonewalls and

2890
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:36,080
all that for 70. this this can never

2891
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:36,960
happen again

2892
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,599
it it is un is done as much as anything

2893
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:41,199
to undermine the trusting government

2894
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:43,360
that we are now suffering from now

2895
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,000
trust in government is so bad it's

2896
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:48,159
amazing that anything will get done we

2897
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:49,360
are going to see some things getting

2898
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,159
done

2899
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,239
and that will help bring back some of

2900
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:54,159
that trust and that may make things go a

2901
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,440
little smoother

2902
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,639
but nothing will bring back trust

2903
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:00,480
uh in government like the government

2904
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:02,080
telling some really

2905
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:04,639
hard truths meaning taking

2906
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:06,320
responsibility and telling some really

2907
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:08,000
hard truths truths that

2908
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:10,400
that are going to be profound and and

2909
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,920
exciting and what have you but truth

2910
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,800
nevertheless

2911
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,360
that is how you get trust back not by

2912
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:17,440
lying better to people

2913
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,639
but by telling them the truth the

2914
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:20,560
government has a chance here joe biden

2915
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:21,840
has a chance

2916
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:24,080
to make the biggest truth statement in

2917
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,000
in all of history

2918
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:28,080
and he's relatively insulated from most

2919
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:29,920
of the downside he's been off to the

2920
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:30,639
side

2921
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:33,599
always there but never directly involved

2922
01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:34,320
he's

2923
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,639
perfect to be honest with you to be the

2924
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,320
disclosure president in my view

2925
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:40,960
now is it possible and i don't want to

2926
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,360
get all hippy-dippy kumbaya

2927
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:45,679
right i don't want to go all new wagey

2928
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,119
here

2929
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:54,229
is it possible that we

2930
01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:58,239
have this change in consciousness

2931
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:02,159
and we turn into the people of earth

2932
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:05,280
and not the people of the united states

2933
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:08,960
and russia and china with borders

2934
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,920
do we make that transition that's not

2935
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:13,440
the transition you want

2936
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,080
why not uh the transition is one species

2937
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:21,119
we need to see ourselves as one species

2938
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:24,000
uh everybody's a human being okay are we

2939
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,719
saying the same thing then uh

2940
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:28,800
in other words one species all right

2941
01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:30,880
because they are one species they come

2942
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:32,239
from a planet and they are

2943
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:35,440
they are the the top species there uh

2944
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,000
now it's

2945
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,840
possible to have a planet that has more

2946
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:39,280
than one

2947
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:42,560
technological intelligent sentient

2948
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,360
species

2949
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:45,199
it could happen right we have other

2950
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:46,960
intelligent species on our planet but

2951
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:48,560
they just don't have fingers

2952
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:50,000
all right so they're not building rocket

2953
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,679
ships and computers but

2954
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,599
let's just say it's one species one

2955
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:55,040
planet so they got their planet they've

2956
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:56,639
got their species we got a planet we got

2957
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:57,599
a species

2958
01:55:01,350 --> 01:55:00,480
okay that's that's where we need to go

2959
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:01,360
all right

2960
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:03,520
recently i think six or seven asian

2961
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:05,360
women were slaughtered by some guy

2962
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:08,400
i forget the city just did it today

2963
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:11,440
uh this kind of crap it's nonsense one

2964
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:13,360
species now we're one species on a

2965
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,239
planet

2966
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:17,280
of 200 nations all right

2967
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:20,960
because you can't you can't

2968
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:24,320
govern seven billion people from a

2969
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:25,199
single what

2970
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:26,960
you know legislature or something like

2971
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:29,199
that too much territory too many people

2972
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:30,239
so you have and you have different

2973
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:32,400
cultures so you have you have countries

2974
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:35,520
with with their sets of laws uh

2975
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:37,360
and i think it says you think that would

2976
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:39,040
be the same way

2977
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:42,400
for an advanced civilization uh

2978
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:45,199
not of our own you know out there in the

2979
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:47,360
milky way somewhere

2980
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,360
that they in their advanced state

2981
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,440
that they are not governing from one

2982
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:54,880
position that they are still

2983
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:58,000
localized it depends on the size of the

2984
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:59,360
planet that population

2985
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:00,480
right and you could have an advanced

2986
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:02,560
civilization on a planet that's only got

2987
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,719
five million people 10 million people i

2988
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:06,159
think might govern

2989
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:09,040
uh from a single point but we don't have

2990
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:10,400
that we've got seven billion

2991
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:14,719
right negotiate with here they negotiate

2992
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:15,840
with the planet

2993
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,880
they're not going to be setting up

2994
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:18,239
separate trade deals with different

2995
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:19,679
companies

2996
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:23,360
exactly yeah so who did you know

2997
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:25,440
you know the the famous words right take

2998
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:27,520
it take me to your leader

2999
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,760
perfectly but you you know all the right

3000
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:30,960
questions dude have you been in this

3001
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:32,560
issue for a while i've never

3002
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,040
this is my first show first day yeah um

3003
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,679
logically they should in open contact

3004
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,440
post disclosure they should be engaging

3005
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:43,119
with the u.n

3006
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:44,560
that's who they should be working

3007
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:46,560
through however the un

3008
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:49,679
has been significantly scarred

3009
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:52,719
undermined and weakened

3010
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:56,000
uh it's almost irrelevant now so

3011
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,280
i'm projecting that either the u.n will

3012
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:01,679
be completely revitalized

3013
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:04,719
uh which is doable or they will just

3014
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:06,400
shut it down and start a whole new

3015
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:07,840
organization

3016
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:11,440
of like the u.n but structured

3017
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:14,159
in different ways and that fresh new

3018
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:16,080
organization without the baggage

3019
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:18,639
will be the the intersection point uh

3020
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:19,520
and they

3021
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:22,560
will will talk through that entity that

3022
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:24,560
is the logical way to do this

3023
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:26,960
uh and these entities seem to be quite

3024
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:28,080
logical

3025
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,800
so it would be like that and then

3026
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:32,560
information would be then provided from

3027
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:33,360
the

3028
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:37,280
intermediary

3029
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:39,520
which could be the u.n to heads of state

3030
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:41,199
they would get together and secure

3031
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:43,679
a council and discuss it and decide how

3032
01:57:47,109 --> 01:57:45,119
to respond all that kind of stuff that

3033
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:47,119
that would be the appropriate way to do

3034
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:48,320
it now there are some countries that are

3035
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:49,599
going to

3036
01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:51,440
hold back and say uh we don't want any

3037
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:52,719
part of this or

3038
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:54,320
try to cut a side deal i don't know what

3039
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:55,840
they're going to do

3040
01:57:59,109 --> 01:57:57,280
there's potential for plenty of bad

3041
01:58:03,030 --> 01:57:59,119
behavior initially

3042
01:58:05,109 --> 01:58:03,040
but again each day after disclosure

3043
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:05,119
it things will settle in a little bit

3044
01:58:09,270 --> 01:58:06,080
and people

3045
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:09,280
very smart people will readjust

3046
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:12,239
their thinking recalculate their

3047
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:13,360
equations

3048
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:15,840
and decide all right how should we

3049
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:18,159
respond what should we do now

3050
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:19,599
and they'll have some time i don't see

3051
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:21,760
open contact for at least two years

3052
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:23,520
they'll have time to think all this

3053
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:25,360
through and make some adjustments on the

3054
01:58:29,270 --> 01:58:26,239
planet

3055
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:29,280
um will they

3056
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:32,400
will communist china change at all will

3057
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:34,320
the soviet union change

3058
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:37,440
uh how will they adapt

3059
01:58:40,709 --> 01:58:39,119
there's two there'll be two things in

3060
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:40,719
play we're getting into the advanced

3061
01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:42,080
post-disclosure stuff this is the

3062
01:58:45,510 --> 01:58:43,199
post-graduate stuff

3063
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:45,520
sure sure sure uh because

3064
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:47,119
post-disclosure

3065
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:49,520
the major powers need to reassess their

3066
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:50,800
relationship

3067
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:51,840
we're not alone in universes

3068
01:58:55,589 --> 01:58:54,000
extraterrestrials here

3069
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,599
how do how should china and the u.s

3070
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:57,119
interact houses soviet union

3071
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:00,239
us interact and so forth right uh do we

3072
01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:03,520
disarm do we step back do we cut back on

3073
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:04,000
our

3074
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:07,199
do we continue an economic zero-sum game

3075
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:09,040
conflict in other words china can't

3076
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:10,639
become number one economy we'll take

3077
01:59:13,589 --> 01:59:11,440
them down we have to

3078
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:13,599
blah blah blah do we sanction each other

3079
01:59:18,149 --> 01:59:14,880
to death what do we ch

3080
01:59:20,470 --> 01:59:18,159
do we do we do a reset okay let's reset

3081
01:59:23,589 --> 01:59:20,480
under this extraordinary new situation

3082
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:23,599
and see where it takes us that's one

3083
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:25,920
thing that's going on at the same time

3084
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:27,679
each one of them each of these major

3085
01:59:30,310 --> 01:59:28,400
nations and

3086
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:30,320
other nations too but the major ones are

3087
01:59:34,229 --> 01:59:31,679
the major players

3088
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:34,239
are having to contemplate how are we

3089
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:36,400
going to relate to the et's

3090
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:39,040
and whatever is coming from them if they

3091
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:41,679
go open contact now keep in mind

3092
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:42,960
one of the things that will emerge

3093
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:45,040
post-disclosure

3094
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,320
and that's the one that's the biggest

3095
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:48,880
public relation issue it's the big one

3096
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:51,840
from the standpoint of tough questions

3097
01:59:55,990 --> 01:59:53,679
is the contact phenomenon

3098
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:56,000
which is worldwide involving millions of

3099
01:59:59,669 --> 01:59:58,560
people russians chinese americans

3100
02:00:01,030 --> 01:59:59,679
and it's not a damn thing these

3101
02:00:02,149 --> 02:00:01,040
governments could do about it and

3102
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:02,159
they're going to have to

3103
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:05,360
acknowledge it

3104
02:00:09,189 --> 02:00:07,520
and that's going to be particularly

3105
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:09,199
difficult for them but that's

3106
02:00:12,229 --> 02:00:10,719
the way it is i mean that's the reality

3107
02:00:14,149 --> 02:00:12,239
of it and so they're going to be

3108
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,159
re dealing with that so there's going to

3109
02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:16,320
be two things going on at the same time

3110
02:00:19,430 --> 02:00:17,920
how to reassess the terrestrial

3111
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:19,440
relationships

3112
02:00:25,270 --> 02:00:23,280
how to contemplate the extraterrestrial

3113
02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:25,280
relationship as respect to china or the

3114
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:26,880
soviet union or the earth

3115
02:00:31,109 --> 02:00:29,040
in total now we're going to discuss all

3116
02:00:33,030 --> 02:00:31,119
of this more after the break and we're

3117
02:00:34,310 --> 02:00:33,040
going to go into a deep dive in another

3118
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:34,320
direction

3119
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:37,920
but in the one minute that i have left

3120
02:00:44,229 --> 02:00:40,960
stephen uh before the break is this

3121
02:00:47,109 --> 02:00:44,239
i know that we

3122
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:47,119
and russia and china and israel and and

3123
02:00:50,390 --> 02:00:49,360
great britain and japan and australia

3124
02:00:54,229 --> 02:00:50,400
and canada

3125
02:00:56,709 --> 02:00:54,239
what have you france spain italy

3126
02:00:57,430 --> 02:00:56,719
are all going to have the same concerns

3127
02:01:01,669 --> 02:00:57,440
they don't

3128
02:01:04,149 --> 02:01:01,679
want e.t to choose sides

3129
02:01:06,149 --> 02:01:04,159
or have a best friend or have an

3130
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:06,159
appearance that oh they're

3131
02:01:10,390 --> 02:01:08,080
they're getting along you know their

3132
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:10,400
relationship is with the russians

3133
02:01:13,669 --> 02:01:12,560
of course right and that is going to be

3134
02:01:15,510 --> 02:01:13,679
the underlying

3135
02:01:17,990 --> 02:01:15,520
thing that is going to be going on

3136
02:01:19,669 --> 02:01:18,000
because that is just human nature

3137
02:01:21,350 --> 02:01:19,679
it'll be on their mind but it won't be

3138
02:01:23,109 --> 02:01:21,360
difficult to dissuade them of that

3139
02:01:25,430 --> 02:01:23,119
that's not been the that's not been what

3140
02:01:27,910 --> 02:01:25,440
we've seen the et's turn our nuclear

3141
02:01:30,709 --> 02:01:27,920
weapons off

3142
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:30,719
not et but russia doesn't want this to

3143
02:01:35,990 --> 02:01:31,920
be

3144
02:01:38,149 --> 02:01:36,000
uh uh an et united states

3145
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:38,159
relationship yeah yeah they they haven't

3146
02:01:40,709 --> 02:01:39,280
been dealing with this that way

3147
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:40,719
they they turn our nukes off they turn

3148
02:01:44,709 --> 02:01:42,800
this brush and nukes off right right

3149
02:01:46,629 --> 02:01:44,719
they they're not they're not showing

3150
02:01:47,589 --> 02:01:46,639
special favors that we we can see it's

3151
02:01:49,750 --> 02:01:47,599
just not there

3152
02:01:51,830 --> 02:01:49,760
and it would be crazy for them to do

3153
02:01:53,750 --> 02:01:51,840
that i i think the extraterrestrials

3154
02:01:56,790 --> 02:01:53,760
could care

3155
02:02:00,390 --> 02:01:56,800
little

3156
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:00,400
about the china u.s

3157
02:02:06,470 --> 02:02:03,760
problems or the pro the russia u.s

3158
02:02:08,709 --> 02:02:06,480
problems or the arab israeli problems

3159
02:02:10,149 --> 02:02:08,719
and from their perspective this is these

3160
02:02:12,070 --> 02:02:10,159
are nothing

3161
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:12,080
right don't sweat the small stuff

3162
02:02:14,870 --> 02:02:14,239
they're operating on a much grander

3163
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:14,880
scale

3164
02:02:17,990 --> 02:02:17,360
that's that's they will affect those

3165
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:18,000
things

3166
02:02:22,950 --> 02:02:21,280
but like they care no yeah right right i

3167
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:22,960
got to take a break right here and this

3168
02:02:31,189 --> 02:02:23,280
is

3169
02:02:33,350 --> 02:02:31,199
we'll see a sudden change in attitude

3170
02:02:34,950 --> 02:02:33,360
i think from all countries on the planet

3171
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:34,960
everybody's going to want to be

3172
02:02:39,750 --> 02:02:38,000
likable right

3173
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:39,760
yeah everybody's going to want to be

3174
02:02:44,229 --> 02:02:41,840
likable this is fade to black

3175
02:02:46,070 --> 02:02:44,239
take a quick break and when we come back

3176
02:02:46,629 --> 02:02:46,080
we're going to change directions but

3177
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:46,639
we're still

3178
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:48,639
on target this is fade to black i'm

3179
02:02:59,990 --> 02:02:50,320
yours timmy church more with stephen

3180
02:03:01,430 --> 02:03:00,000
bassett after this short break

3181
02:03:07,669 --> 02:03:01,440
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02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:22,000
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02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,950
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3259
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,800
welcome back fade to black i am your

3260
02:06:43,270 --> 02:06:42,239
host jimmy church tonight stephen

3261
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:43,280
bassett

3262
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:46,239
tomorrow night attorney james lowe is

3263
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:47,360
here

3264
02:06:50,870 --> 02:06:48,719
it's going to be an extraordinary

3265
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:50,880
conversation thursday night of course is

3266
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:53,040
fader night open lines all night long

3267
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:54,480
tonight steven bassett

3268
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:57,599
and now steven uh last week i

3269
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:01,280
interviewed harvard's avi loeb and

3270
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:04,400
a very interesting conversation in avi

3271
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,639
uh for uh our community and the world

3272
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:11,119
sticking his neck out uh when it comes

3273
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:13,920
to the ufo question and omumua

3274
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:16,560
uh his new book extraterrestrial is just

3275
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:18,320
an unbelievable read

3276
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:20,960
to have somebody with his pedigree uh

3277
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:23,280
sticking in his neck out like that and

3278
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:24,320
of course

3279
02:07:27,910 --> 02:07:26,639
harvard always comes into play but he

3280
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:27,920
wasn't the first guy

3281
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:31,920
out of harvard and my question is

3282
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:35,440
uh what is it what is it in the water

3283
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:39,360
at harvard that allows that allows these

3284
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,239
extraordinary

3285
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:43,119
men and women to speak about these

3286
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:44,639
issues

3287
02:07:50,950 --> 02:07:48,320
um yeah

3288
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:50,960
avi loeb's emergence is one of a couple

3289
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:52,880
of things that

3290
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:56,000
got me thinking about the past

3291
02:08:00,629 --> 02:07:59,119
uh and uh

3292
02:08:02,310 --> 02:08:00,639
and that was it also in conjunction with

3293
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:02,320
the fact that i have i still have quite

3294
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:04,400
a few colleagues that

3295
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:06,719
they're frank about telling me that

3296
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:07,599
disclosure is

3297
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:09,040
not happening now and it's not going to

3298
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:10,880
happen for years if not decades and

3299
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:12,159
i've got some that think it'll never

3300
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:14,639
happen and i've got others i hear this

3301
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:15,599
from time to time

3302
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:18,400
and nothing's changed it's all the same

3303
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:20,239
and so i want to respond to that

3304
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:21,040
thinking

3305
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:27,669
and it goes like this

3306
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:29,669
i got into this field as i've talked

3307
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:33,440
about on the radio before in 1996

3308
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,320
i went to cambridge massachusetts

3309
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:38,719
arrived on january 26th to

3310
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:41,920
work as a volunteer for an organization

3311
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,599
called the program for extraordinary

3312
02:08:46,229 --> 02:08:45,599
experience research which was set up by

3313
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:46,239
john mack

3314
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:49,360
to study contact ease

3315
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:52,800
uh the rea one of the key reasons i did

3316
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:53,199
this

3317
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:56,480
which changed my life completely was uh

3318
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:58,400
because i read abduction they published

3319
02:09:02,229 --> 02:08:59,920
in 1994

3320
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:02,239
human encounters with aliens and that

3321
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,599
was a profound

3322
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:05,040
impact on me and helped me make the

3323
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:07,040
decision so it was a big deal so i

3324
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:08,079
arrived

3325
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:10,800
uh dr mack was not there uh he was out

3326
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:11,440
of town

3327
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:13,840
and so uh i think he came about a week

3328
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:15,440
later so it was around the

3329
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:18,800
first of february and so dr mack came

3330
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:22,159
back to the office and uh came on up

3331
02:09:26,470 --> 02:09:24,800
and uh there was a little kind of party

3332
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:26,480
just welcoming back

3333
02:09:29,910 --> 02:09:28,800
and we were in a communal room and

3334
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:29,920
having some uh

3335
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:32,800
you know i don't know cookies or some

3336
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:35,119
lemonade or whatever the hell

3337
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:37,920
but when he arrived there was something

3338
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:39,280
waiting for him

3339
02:09:48,390 --> 02:09:42,800
and it was in the mail it was

3340
02:09:51,589 --> 02:09:48,400
a pre-screening of a nova documentary

3341
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:51,599
um that had been put together

3342
02:09:55,830 --> 02:09:53,760
about his work and the work of bud

3343
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:55,840
hopkins

3344
02:10:01,589 --> 02:10:00,079
uh and boy

3345
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:01,599
the title of it escapes me right now

3346
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:02,800
can't believe it i had it set up i don't

3347
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:04,560
want to go hunting for a point is it

3348
02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:07,440
and this this documentary aired about a

3349
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:08,480
month later

3350
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:11,520
in february so

3351
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:13,360
naturally when he got there he put it

3352
02:10:16,709 --> 02:10:15,280
into the cassette to watch it

3353
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:16,719
because he had obviously he knew this

3354
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,800
was coming and he'd done the interviews

3355
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:20,880
and they put it in to watch it along

3356
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,920
with some of the staff

3357
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:26,159
and it turned out that the documentary

3358
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:28,000
that nova put together was a hit

3359
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:32,239
piece on him and bud hopkins

3360
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:39,189
i l we learned later that the producer

3361
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:42,079
the women producers of this documentary

3362
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:43,679
which was supposed to be different than

3363
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:45,920
that it was supposed to be a kind of

3364
02:10:50,390 --> 02:10:48,400
uh just a somewhat neutral examination

3365
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:50,400
of the issue when she learned

3366
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:52,000
that the powers that be had decided to

3367
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:54,320
make it a hit piece she resigned

3368
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:57,760
was it the the kidnapped

3369
02:11:02,069 --> 02:11:00,400
yeah kidnapped yeah kidnapped by aliens

3370
02:11:02,390 --> 02:11:02,079
yeah kidnapped by aliens right right

3371
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:02,400
right

3372
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:07,119
was

3373
02:11:13,430 --> 02:11:10,400
painful um

3374
02:11:14,870 --> 02:11:13,440
and so this was his welcome back to the

3375
02:11:16,950 --> 02:11:14,880
office

3376
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:16,960
and they turn it off and everybody's

3377
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:18,800
kind of commenting about that and

3378
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:20,239
walking around and i just

3379
02:11:24,310 --> 02:11:21,920
happened to be sitting behind he's not

3380
02:11:26,550 --> 02:11:24,320
standing behind he was on the couch

3381
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:26,560
facing across to the television i was

3382
02:11:31,109 --> 02:11:28,320
standing off to his right

3383
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:31,119
just against the window and i just

3384
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:32,880
happened to hear him say to himself he

3385
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:36,159
was saying under his breath to himself

3386
02:11:48,229 --> 02:11:44,310
now let me give some background to this

3387
02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:48,239
you see john mack

3388
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:50,960
engaged this issue because bud hopkins

3389
02:11:53,910 --> 02:11:52,000
introduced him to it

3390
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:53,920
and convinced him to go forward and

3391
02:11:59,189 --> 02:11:55,040
thomas [\h__\h] the

3392
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:59,199
legendary uh philosopher and scientist

3393
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:01,280
also encouraged him and so he decided to

3394
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:04,159
do this even though he knew it was risky

3395
02:12:08,149 --> 02:12:07,119
he started talking to contactees he

3396
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:08,159
actually set up a

3397
02:12:12,709 --> 02:12:11,440
a huge symposium at mit the mit didn't

3398
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:12,719
sponsor it but mit

3399
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:15,119
it was setting there and david pritchard

3400
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:16,480
who was an mit professor

3401
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:18,639
sort of sponsored it they brought in

3402
02:12:23,669 --> 02:12:20,880
contact these this is 92

3403
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:23,679
and they published a huge record of this

3404
02:12:27,350 --> 02:12:24,719
symposium

3405
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:27,360
uh which is sitting right behind me now

3406
02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:28,800
on my wall

3407
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,040
that was 92 and then he moved forward to

3408
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:33,199
do the book

3409
02:12:46,470 --> 02:12:42,390
not surprisingly there was pushback

3410
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:46,480
and it came from a not surprising place

3411
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:51,520
what happened was in 1994

3412
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:54,719
uh a woman uh came to him

3413
02:12:57,750 --> 02:12:56,480
uh wanting to talk with him about her

3414
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:57,760
contact experience

3415
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:59,599
in other words to be one of his the

3416
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:01,119
people that he's working with

3417
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:02,480
as part of the development of the

3418
02:13:07,669 --> 02:13:04,159
project

3419
02:13:09,430 --> 02:13:07,679
she had a number of sessions with him

3420
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,440
uh but she was faking it in other words

3421
02:13:12,870 --> 02:13:11,360
she wasn't a contactee she was making it

3422
02:13:14,149 --> 02:13:12,880
all up and after doing a number of

3423
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:14,159
sessions with him

3424
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:15,679
she headed straight over to time

3425
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:18,000
magazine and said guess what

3426
02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:20,800
i just fooled john mack he i'm not a

3427
02:13:24,149 --> 02:13:22,480
contact he believed everything hook line

3428
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:24,159
and sinker

3429
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:27,199
and as a result time magazine on april

3430
02:13:33,189 --> 02:13:28,800
the 25th

3431
02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:33,199
of 201994 published

3432
02:13:42,069 --> 02:13:36,400
uh i'm sorry 95

3433
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,069
published uh or

3434
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:48,400
hang on i i gotta go back here i gotta

3435
02:13:53,589 --> 02:13:49,840
confuse it's 94.

3436
02:13:57,030 --> 02:13:53,599
they published this article right

3437
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:57,040
which was bad okay

3438
02:14:03,910 --> 02:14:00,159
and then in one month within 30 days

3439
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:03,920
that is when the harvard medical school

3440
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:07,199
decided to open up an inquiry into his

3441
02:14:10,709 --> 02:14:07,840
work

3442
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:10,719
take him to court yeah yeah well not the

3443
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:12,400
court well you know what i'm saying it's

3444
02:14:16,229 --> 02:14:12,800
their

3445
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:16,239
version but the the and it's the first

3446
02:14:20,069 --> 02:14:17,679
time that a

3447
02:14:21,030 --> 02:14:20,079
tenured professor at harvard had ever

3448
02:14:23,109 --> 02:14:21,040
been

3449
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:23,119
put to this tribunal so they're going to

3450
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:24,880
assess his work but the idea that he's

3451
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:25,360
committed

3452
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:30,079
serious you know uh uh uh uh

3453
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:33,119
mistakes uh and and uh

3454
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:35,199
that are you know gonna reflect badly in

3455
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:36,560
harvard and the medical school and all

3456
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:37,360
of this

3457
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:39,119
it could destroy his legacy and destroy

3458
02:14:44,069 --> 02:14:40,719
his career

3459
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:44,079
they investigated for 10 months

3460
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:46,079
and ultimately it went came together

3461
02:14:48,790 --> 02:14:47,199
where they're going to sit down and go

3462
02:14:50,870 --> 02:14:48,800
over all the evidence and so forth

3463
02:14:52,709 --> 02:14:50,880
by then john mack had brought in danny

3464
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:52,719
sheehan to be one of his attorneys and

3465
02:14:57,350 --> 02:14:54,079
danny's a genius he's an

3466
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:57,360
activist attorney okay and the

3467
02:15:01,030 --> 02:14:59,840
the role of the activist is to comfort

3468
02:15:01,910 --> 02:15:01,040
the afflicted and inflict the

3469
02:15:05,030 --> 02:15:01,920
comfortable

3470
02:15:07,830 --> 02:15:05,040
and he did both so danny comes in

3471
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:07,840
and when he gets done with that panel as

3472
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:10,000
far as his presentation

3473
02:15:14,310 --> 02:15:12,480
it was over and and this tribunal

3474
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:14,320
essentially agreed to him that matt

3475
02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:16,880
could continue to do whatever he liked

3476
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:18,639
uh and there would be no problems from

3477
02:15:22,390 --> 02:15:20,400
them though they did say he had a couple

3478
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:22,400
of methodology issues but they didn't

3479
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:23,679
act on that

3480
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:27,840
and and that was over

3481
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:31,040
uh and it was over in

3482
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:33,920
uh mid 1995 somewhere around that that

3483
02:15:36,149 --> 02:15:34,639
range maybe

3484
02:15:39,030 --> 02:15:36,159
maybe even later might get done until

3485
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:39,040
like you know the fall

3486
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:41,199
okay so and by the way he spent a

3487
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:42,880
quarter million dollars

3488
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:46,639
on his defense which his parents i think

3489
02:15:50,709 --> 02:15:47,840
put up their houses

3490
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:50,719
but i think ultimately uh i believe that

3491
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:51,840
was covered by

3492
02:15:56,870 --> 02:15:54,880
uh uh none other than um

3493
02:15:58,709 --> 02:15:56,880
lawrence rockefeller who actually funded

3494
02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:58,719
pierre for four years

3495
02:16:02,069 --> 02:16:01,440
to 250 000 a year i think so he covered

3496
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:02,079
most of that

3497
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:04,079
and rockefeller a lot of people don't

3498
02:16:09,189 --> 02:16:05,920
know that so

3499
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:09,199
he's gotten through that and now it's

3500
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:12,560
uh 1995.

3501
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:15,840
uh he's through that

3502
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:18,880
and then it's 19 it's 1996

3503
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:20,719
he's in the office and there's the nova

3504
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:22,639
documentary and i hear him say those

3505
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:23,679
words meaning

3506
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:26,320
they're coming to get me right still

3507
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:27,520
okay

3508
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:29,840
now here's the first punch line in my

3509
02:16:35,429 --> 02:16:31,840
little

3510
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:35,439
the woman that set john mack up

3511
02:16:42,150 --> 02:16:39,120
was the wife of a journalist a writer

3512
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:42,160
who happened to be working with philip

3513
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:45,359
class so essentially

3514
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,920
philip class went after john monk he met

3515
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:49,920
mac he tried to take him down

3516
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:53,439
by pulling a con on him using the wife

3517
02:16:58,389 --> 02:16:54,639
of one of his

3518
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:58,399
co-or colleagues then she put a con on

3519
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:01,519
time magazine

3520
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:03,519
and eventually turned up again at a

3521
02:17:06,790 --> 02:17:05,120
dinner to embarrass him

3522
02:17:10,309 --> 02:17:06,800
and then faded into history i don't know

3523
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:10,319
what happened to him uh

3524
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:14,960
phil class was an evil man yes he was

3525
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:18,240
he was an absolutely evil man and

3526
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:20,000
he's not the only person he tried to

3527
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:21,679
bring down and

3528
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,760
friedman said he had some decent

3529
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:25,679
research information that indicated he

3530
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:28,080
might have been working for the cia or

3531
02:17:31,830 --> 02:17:29,359
the fbi

3532
02:17:33,190 --> 02:17:31,840
uh in which case he was doubly evil and

3533
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:33,200
the government may have to answer for

3534
02:17:37,190 --> 02:17:33,920
that something

3535
02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:37,200
okay so uh

3536
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:40,399
that was then all right now

3537
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:42,800
i left after four months and i went down

3538
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:44,399
to washington to become a political

3539
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:46,000
activist which is what i was i knew i

3540
02:17:51,030 --> 02:17:47,200
was an activist

3541
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,040
because i i uh i i identified a lot more

3542
02:17:55,669 --> 02:17:53,519
with um

3543
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:55,679
uh who was that activist oh god i'm

3544
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:57,280
having another blank hole

3545
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:59,359
um pick one of the great activists from

3546
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:00,880
the chicago seven

3547
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:02,559
uh abby hoffman identified more with

3548
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:04,719
abby hoffman than dr richard feynman

3549
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:07,200
so i go down to become an activist in dc

3550
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:09,040
eight years go by i'm doing this i'm

3551
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:11,359
doing that i set up the x conference

3552
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:12,880
i started the x conference the first one

3553
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:14,960
2004 and i

3554
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:16,960
really wanted to get john mack to come

3555
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:18,399
and speak and i approached

3556
02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:21,760
him about it but he's a busy guy and it

3557
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:24,240
was the first x conference he i don't

3558
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:25,359
know how it's going to go

3559
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:27,760
so he demurred no problem the conference

3560
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:29,200
went very well

3561
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:32,080
but i said i'm going to get john for

3562
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:33,599
2005.

3563
02:18:38,230 --> 02:18:34,960
i'll get him to come to that would have

3564
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:38,240
been fantastic i didn't get the chance

3565
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:40,960
because in september of 2004 he was

3566
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:43,200
killed in a pedestrian accident

3567
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:47,120
in london all right now

3568
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:48,800
i'm gonna go into this a little bit for

3569
02:18:54,870 --> 02:18:50,880
a reason okay

3570
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:54,880
um i've been to london many times

3571
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:57,280
spent a lot of time there love it and

3572
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:58,639
where i stay there

3573
02:19:01,830 --> 02:19:01,280
is only a couple just two underground

3574
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:01,840
stops

3575
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:05,040
from where john lost his life and so the

3576
02:19:09,429 --> 02:19:06,000
last time i was there

3577
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:09,439
which was in 2017 i fled to london

3578
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:12,800
after the election uh in order to

3579
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:15,200
get some training and stiff upper lip or

3580
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:15,840
whatever

3581
02:19:20,070 --> 02:19:19,040
and uh just cool down and i i went up

3582
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:20,080
there

3583
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,280
uh to actually the spot to check it out

3584
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:25,840
and i think you have i think on your

3585
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:26,639
twitter page

3586
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:29,519
i just posted it jimmy church yep you

3587
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:30,319
have put those so

3588
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:31,599
those that are following you on the

3589
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:33,679
twitter live or something and it can go

3590
02:19:35,910 --> 02:19:34,399
there or

3591
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:35,920
if you have twitter you can go to jimmy

3592
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:38,000
church it's twitter and you can see the

3593
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:40,080
photos

3594
02:19:45,429 --> 02:19:43,439
and here's what you're seeing uh

3595
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:45,439
one of the photos is a is a google earth

3596
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:46,800
shot of the

3597
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:50,479
the locale there and on the right

3598
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:53,280
you can see the totteridge metro station

3599
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,960
little red circle

3600
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:57,040
and on the far left you'll see the

3601
02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:58,160
intersection of

3602
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:02,160
cotter ridge lane and um what's the

3603
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:03,200
other one

3604
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,520
uh uh long

3605
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:10,000
long long one i think it's long and long

3606
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:11,359
and dry yes

3607
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:14,800
uh okay and then just to the right of

3608
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:16,399
that there's an arrow that points to a

3609
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:17,840
crossing

3610
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:19,520
you see a white hour and that points to

3611
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:21,840
the crossing where john mack

3612
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:25,200
stepped out he was on his way back

3613
02:20:28,710 --> 02:20:27,680
from a meeting at a house gathering

3614
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,720
whatever

3615
02:20:32,389 --> 02:20:30,640
he was heading back either to the metro

3616
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:32,399
to get to his hotel or the hotel was

3617
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,160
down in totteridge i don't know

3618
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:37,120
but he was headed that way in order to

3619
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:37,840
get there

3620
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:40,880
he had to cross the street at that

3621
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:43,359
at that at that crossing point and i

3622
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:45,840
stood on that crossing point

3623
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,880
to the right is a road that goes down to

3624
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:50,880
the metro and that road basically goes

3625
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:51,840
through woods there's

3626
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:54,479
there's no houses there uh and so the

3627
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:56,160
people coming up that road are moving

3628
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:57,120
along i mean they're

3629
02:21:00,230 --> 02:20:58,880
they're moving fast there's no houses no

3630
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,240
cross streets

3631
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:02,560
uh and there's also no lights and so

3632
02:21:05,510 --> 02:21:03,920
when you're at night and you're looking

3633
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:05,520
down that road it's dark

3634
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:08,240
it's completely black he arrived at

3635
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:08,640
that's

3636
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:12,240
at that uh at that crossing at about 11

3637
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:16,000
45 at night he was almost certainly

3638
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:17,359
wearing his standard

3639
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:20,479
outfit his black coat his black pants

3640
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:23,120
but his white shirt but he was sideways

3641
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:24,000
to the road

3642
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:26,479
so the white shirt was not visible it

3643
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,640
was just john mack's black suit and john

3644
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:30,800
mack's black hair

3645
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:35,280
and he did something that i've done

3646
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:38,640
he looked left instead of right because

3647
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,840
in the uk you got to look right

3648
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:44,000
and he simply stepped right out in front

3649
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:45,760
of that truck

3650
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:47,439
which hit him probably without even

3651
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:49,280
breaking

3652
02:21:54,870 --> 02:21:52,960
and he was thrown quite a ways he was

3653
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:54,880
conscious for a brief period and died on

3654
02:21:57,750 --> 02:21:56,399
the scene

3655
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:57,760
the driver of the truck was

3656
02:22:03,110 --> 02:21:59,439
czechoslovakian

3657
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:03,120
who stopped got out tried to address the

3658
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:04,640
situation

3659
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:07,760
the police came dealt with it

3660
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:09,840
he was checked out he had some alcohol

3661
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:10,960
in him

3662
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:12,479
it's not clear if he was drunk i don't

3663
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:14,000
think he was but he'd have some alcohol

3664
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:14,880
he had a couple of

3665
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:17,280
beers at the pub which obviously was not

3666
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:18,160
a good thing

3667
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:20,240
he was charged with drunken driving

3668
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:21,600
right right

3669
02:22:27,910 --> 02:22:27,349
and why and by the way the other and

3670
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:27,920
then there's a

3671
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:29,200
photo up there there's a photo up there

3672
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:31,280
as well of the of the uh

3673
02:22:35,590 --> 02:22:33,680
of the uh crossing but if you look at

3674
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:35,600
the if you look at the uh

3675
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:37,600
the hedge behind the crossing you see a

3676
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:38,800
rose

3677
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:41,280
when i was there taking those photos i

3678
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:43,280
put a rose in that hitch

3679
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:45,680
just as a little remembrance of john

3680
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:51,670
and i have those in my files now uh

3681
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:53,680
why am i doing this the reason i'm doing

3682
02:22:57,910 --> 02:22:55,439
this is because there are still

3683
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:57,920
quite a few people out there on social

3684
02:23:02,389 --> 02:22:59,840
media here and there whatever

3685
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:02,399
because of the nature of things i get it

3686
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:03,280
that raise

3687
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:05,680
the uh prospect or even emphatically

3688
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:07,600
state that john was murdered

3689
02:23:11,510 --> 02:23:09,920
by the deep cabal the deep state or

3690
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:11,520
whatever because of the work that he was

3691
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,319
doing

3692
02:23:15,429 --> 02:23:14,319
he he was not murdered this was an

3693
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:15,439
accident

3694
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:17,920
the family recognized that the family

3695
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,080
even asked that the gentleman be

3696
02:23:23,670 --> 02:23:22,880
given clemency because they knew it was

3697
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:23,680
not

3698
02:23:28,950 --> 02:23:27,840
harm and i think ultimately he's given

3699
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:28,960
six months and three

3700
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:31,280
three years suspension from driving uh

3701
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:32,240
that's the kind of

3702
02:23:35,429 --> 02:23:34,640
family that john mack had so i just want

3703
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:35,439
to get that out there

3704
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:38,960
it was an accident okay okay now

3705
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:42,800
let's jump forward a quarter century

3706
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:45,600
okay so you saw what happened back then

3707
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:47,359
and so we have a new development

3708
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:48,640
right let me see if i got that here i'll

3709
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,830
so these are wild and crazy times so

3710
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,359
naturally this is the time

3711
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:59,520
a couple years ago not too long ago 18

3712
02:24:03,750 --> 02:24:00,399
months

3713
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:03,760
when a piece of space floutus

3714
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:05,439
comes flying through the solar system at

3715
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:08,080
58 000 miles an hour

3716
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:12,000
and becomes the first extra solar object

3717
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:14,080
actually tracked known to be tracked i

3718
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:16,080
might have tracked some didn't know it

3719
02:24:20,150 --> 02:24:18,000
came in from outside our solar system

3720
02:24:22,309 --> 02:24:20,160
and left our solar system at 58 000

3721
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:22,319
miles an hour

3722
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:24,960
and naturally every astronomer in the

3723
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:26,560
world was on top of this baby i mean

3724
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:28,319
this is gold for astronomy

3725
02:24:32,070 --> 02:24:30,160
and so they're all looking at it

3726
02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:32,080
including a gentleman by the name of dr

3727
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:32,880
abi lope

3728
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:35,840
at harvard and he analyzed the

3729
02:24:40,830 --> 02:24:38,880
trajectory and looked at it real hard

3730
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:40,840
and he thought he saw some interesting

3731
02:24:44,870 --> 02:24:42,000
anomalies

3732
02:24:45,910 --> 02:24:44,880
and maybe there were he could have

3733
02:24:48,630 --> 02:24:45,920
easily

3734
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:48,640
put out a range of options on that uh he

3735
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:49,920
could have simply

3736
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:51,439
published yeah here's what i saw i don't

3737
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:52,800
know what it means he could have ignored

3738
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:54,399
it altogether

3739
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:57,760
instead he jumped in with both feet

3740
02:25:03,510 --> 02:25:00,960
certainly dude he went medieval on this

3741
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:03,520
piece of rock and i'm telling you it's a

3742
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:05,120
piece of rock okay

3743
02:25:08,550 --> 02:25:07,439
it's a rock three a lot of people go

3744
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:08,560
well no no no no

3745
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:11,120
it's supposed to be round right and it's

3746
02:25:14,950 --> 02:25:13,200
coming it's elongated you know it's like

3747
02:25:16,389 --> 02:25:14,960
now and how can so it's got to be real

3748
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:16,399
like

3749
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:20,240
no the reason that all the meteors

3750
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:24,560
no asteroids rather in the belt there's

3751
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:26,720
millions of them are mostly round they

3752
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:28,560
have the shape that they do

3753
02:25:32,389 --> 02:25:30,720
is because for hundreds of millions of

3754
02:25:33,910 --> 02:25:32,399
years particularly in the early days

3755
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:33,920
there or after the thing after the

3756
02:25:37,349 --> 02:25:35,200
planet blew up they're going around in

3757
02:25:38,870 --> 02:25:37,359
circles crashing into each other

3758
02:25:40,389 --> 02:25:38,880
being in here and being in there and

3759
02:25:41,670 --> 02:25:40,399
bouncing off each other sometimes they'd

3760
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:41,680
send something off into

3761
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:43,760
the north somehow south send something

3762
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:45,920
into the earth and all of that banging

3763
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:51,910
just honed them down into balls and

3764
02:25:55,349 --> 02:25:53,120
clumps

3765
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:55,359
of that typical size it would be

3766
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:57,840
difficult to have that super elongated

3767
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:59,920
and maintain that elongated structure

3768
02:26:02,150 --> 02:26:01,600
when you're banging into stuff all the

3769
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:02,160
time

3770
02:26:05,990 --> 02:26:03,680
so this thing comes from out of the

3771
02:26:08,070 --> 02:26:06,000
solar system god knows it got thrown

3772
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:08,080
out from some planetary explosion or

3773
02:26:10,790 --> 02:26:10,240
whatever and instead of staying within

3774
02:26:12,550 --> 02:26:10,800
the star

3775
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:12,560
system and just cruising around with all

3776
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:14,640
the other asteroids and banging around

3777
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:16,080
and getting reduced to a ball

3778
02:26:21,270 --> 02:26:18,960
it headed on out into space uh as a nice

3779
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:21,280
shard

3780
02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:23,200
that explanation works with me the other

3781
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:24,960
stuff not so much but it's okay it's

3782
02:26:30,070 --> 02:26:26,080
okay it's a theory

3783
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:30,080
so it's a theory so and by the way

3784
02:26:36,150 --> 02:26:31,600
they they mentioned that it came from

3785
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:39,510
well just for you know fyi

3786
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:42,160
the vega system is 20 light years away

3787
02:26:45,110 --> 02:26:43,680
so if it came from the vegas system

3788
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:45,120
really came from it

3789
02:26:51,429 --> 02:26:48,399
at 50 000 8 000 miles an hour

3790
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:51,439
it would take a hundred and ten thousand

3791
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:52,560
years

3792
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:55,600
get here so

3793
02:26:59,590 --> 02:26:58,080
if it's a probe it's a a long they're

3794
02:27:02,870 --> 02:26:59,600
playing the long game right they're

3795
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:02,880
hanging along it so okay and i'm amused

3796
02:27:06,870 --> 02:27:03,840
by it all

3797
02:27:09,830 --> 02:27:06,880
when it first started but it continued

3798
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:09,840
he doubled down he doubled down again he

3799
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:10,720
really went

3800
02:27:14,469 --> 02:27:12,880
he interviews the whole nine yards and

3801
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:14,479
of course he publishes a book

3802
02:27:18,349 --> 02:27:16,640
in which it's the centerpiece not all

3803
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:18,359
and the book is titled

3804
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:21,040
extraterrestrial the first what is it

3805
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:21,760
the first

3806
02:27:28,630 --> 02:27:26,160
space yeah

3807
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:28,640
the first visitor from interstellar

3808
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:29,680
space

3809
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:33,040
okay now that's cool

3810
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:35,520
i like the title and it's already a

3811
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:36,240
bestseller

3812
02:27:40,309 --> 02:27:38,800
have you read it have you read it i i

3813
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:40,319
downloaded it and i will be reading in

3814
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:42,080
that couple of days

3815
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:45,120
it's a page turner yes sure it is

3816
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:47,840
it's a great book but but let's be clear

3817
02:27:53,270 --> 02:27:49,920
the fundamental premise is profoundly

3818
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:55,670
is not the first evidence of

3819
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:57,439
interstellar travel

3820
02:28:00,950 --> 02:27:59,040
we've got him flying all over the

3821
02:28:02,389 --> 02:28:00,960
frigging sky we got him taking our

3822
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:02,399
brother-in-law's up in the craft

3823
02:28:06,389 --> 02:28:04,479
for the occasional inspection all right

3824
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:06,399
no question we've got evidence of the

3825
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:07,359
yin yeah that's okay

3826
02:28:11,590 --> 02:28:10,399
it's okay it's all right i don't expect

3827
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:11,600
him to go there

3828
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:14,000
so there he is now let me just let me

3829
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:15,840
just kind of i want to read a little

3830
02:28:21,990 --> 02:28:18,960
bio of him this is the bio up at harvard

3831
02:28:23,990 --> 02:28:22,000
this is a heavy duty dude

3832
02:28:25,429 --> 02:28:24,000
avilobe is the frank b baird jr

3833
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:25,439
professor of science at harvard

3834
02:28:29,510 --> 02:28:26,160
university

3835
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:29,520
and a best-selling author uh public

3836
02:28:33,590 --> 02:28:31,760
because of a book published this week

3837
02:28:35,110 --> 02:28:33,600
and by the way i think five languages he

3838
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:35,120
received a phd in physics from the

3839
02:28:39,910 --> 02:28:37,280
hebrew university of jerusalem

3840
02:28:41,190 --> 02:28:39,920
in israel at age 24 led the first

3841
02:28:42,950 --> 02:28:41,200
international project

3842
02:28:44,389 --> 02:28:42,960
supported by the strategic defense

3843
02:28:45,590 --> 02:28:44,399
initiative he was involved in that so

3844
02:28:47,349 --> 02:28:45,600
was sagan

3845
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:47,359
and was subsequently a long-term member

3846
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:48,960
of the institute for advanced study at

3847
02:28:53,750 --> 02:28:51,600
princeton that's where einstein went

3848
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:53,760
uh loeb has written in books including

3849
02:28:58,630 --> 02:28:55,680
most recently extraterrestrial

3850
02:28:59,270 --> 02:28:58,640
all right he has been the longest

3851
02:29:01,910 --> 02:28:59,280
serving

3852
02:29:04,510 --> 02:29:01,920
chair of the harvard's department of

3853
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:04,520
astronomy

3854
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:07,200
2011-2020 founding director of harvard's

3855
02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:08,479
black hole institute

3856
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:10,240
and director of the institute for theory

3857
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:11,920
and computation and on

3858
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:15,120
and on and on okay

3859
02:29:23,190 --> 02:29:19,840
now has harvard

3860
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:23,200
pushed back against dr loeb has harvard

3861
02:29:27,349 --> 02:29:25,280
scheduled a tribute never been hit

3862
02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:27,359
pieces in time magazine

3863
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:30,479
no he has got the media at his feet

3864
02:29:34,630 --> 02:29:33,600
he is reigning a man he's he's he's he's

3865
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:34,640
having a ball

3866
02:29:41,590 --> 02:29:37,680
okay and it's a safe play

3867
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:41,600
because um he left the solar system time

3868
02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:42,240
time ago

3869
02:29:45,510 --> 02:29:44,160
it's gone baby all right and it's never

3870
02:29:48,790 --> 02:29:45,520
coming back

3871
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:48,800
and so he's taken a possible explanation

3872
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:52,080
and driven it home why because

3873
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:55,200
dr loeb is no fool

3874
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:57,040
the idea that he has held these

3875
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:59,280
positions for these many years

3876
02:30:03,510 --> 02:30:01,439
at the center of the astronomy community

3877
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:03,520
and hasn't figured out or been tipped

3878
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:05,120
off there's an extraterrestrial presence

3879
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:07,200
i give that a 1 in 10 billion

3880
02:30:11,349 --> 02:30:09,040
he absolutely knows an extra but he

3881
02:30:13,990 --> 02:30:11,359
can't go there he can't go that far

3882
02:30:15,349 --> 02:30:14,000
but he's gone this far and he's he's

3883
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:15,359
advanced the issue

3884
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:18,160
he has brought huge amounts of people

3885
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:19,840
into the subject the concept of we are

3886
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:20,960
alone very important

3887
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:23,359
he's getting press he's exciting people

3888
02:30:26,870 --> 02:30:25,439
all good

3889
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:26,880
but here's the point that i'm trying to

3890
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:28,960
make here

3891
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:33,120
25 years ago we saw what happened to map

3892
02:30:36,309 --> 02:30:34,720
and now we see what's happened to avi

3893
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:36,319
loeb this

3894
02:30:42,790 --> 02:30:39,760
is not 1994 we are in a

3895
02:30:43,830 --> 02:30:42,800
totally different place the new york

3896
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:43,840
times is on board

3897
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:46,399
harvard is on board the navy's on board

3898
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:48,319
the congress is coming on board

3899
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:52,399
the senate intelligence committee right

3900
02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:54,240
more books are coming out and one of

3901
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:56,399
those books which what's triggered

3902
02:31:00,070 --> 02:30:57,840
my one of the things that triggered my

3903
02:31:02,150 --> 02:31:00,080
little uh thinking on this

3904
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:02,160
was the book i just also downloaded that

3905
02:31:07,190 --> 02:31:03,920
came out a week ago

3906
02:31:10,710 --> 02:31:07,200
called extra i'm sorry called um

3907
02:31:15,830 --> 02:31:10,720
uh the believer ralph blumenthal

3908
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:15,840
yes john mack by who ralph blumenthal

3909
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:18,080
why is that significant ralph blumenthal

3910
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:19,920
was on the two articles in the new york

3911
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:20,720
times

3912
02:31:28,389 --> 02:31:25,280
19 2017 two-time pulitzer prize winner

3913
02:31:32,070 --> 02:31:28,399
all right now you may not know this but

3914
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:32,080
when i was uh uh doing all that press

3915
02:31:34,790 --> 02:31:33,520
forcing all that press out there about

3916
02:31:35,990 --> 02:31:34,800
clinton and et connection during the

3917
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:36,000
campaign that generated all these

3918
02:31:38,550 --> 02:31:36,720
articles

3919
02:31:40,870 --> 02:31:38,560
i was talking to lots of reporters as a

3920
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:40,880
source going to them regular updates and

3921
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:43,040
there's a fine great writing this

3922
02:31:46,630 --> 02:31:45,280
and during that period i approached not

3923
02:31:48,070 --> 02:31:46,640
only bro

3924
02:31:50,070 --> 02:31:48,080
william broad who's a pulitzer prize

3925
02:31:51,910 --> 02:31:50,080
winner the science but i wasn't able to

3926
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:51,920
get to him but i was able to talk with

3927
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:54,479
with uh with ralph and i was trying to

3928
02:31:57,830 --> 02:31:56,160
encourage him to say look get in write

3929
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:57,840
some stuff about this this is a major

3930
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:58,720
story

3931
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,960
and he demured because he wasn't working

3932
02:32:03,830 --> 02:32:02,560
for the times he retired

3933
02:32:06,309 --> 02:32:03,840
he was doing his own thing he was

3934
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:06,319
independent and he told me look i'm i'm

3935
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:08,640
working on a book about your subject

3936
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:10,560
and so i i can't go there i got to work

3937
02:32:13,349 --> 02:32:11,680
on this

3938
02:32:15,590 --> 02:32:13,359
uh but please don't tell anybody and i

3939
02:32:18,870 --> 02:32:15,600
didn't i never said anything about it

3940
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:20,630
a two-time pulitzer prize meeting is

3941
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:22,960
putting out a doc biography of mac and i

3942
02:32:27,429 --> 02:32:24,000
know damn well this

3943
02:32:29,990 --> 02:32:27,439
is a really great and positive biography

3944
02:32:32,230 --> 02:32:30,000
this john mack was one of the most

3945
02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:32,240
important people of the 20th century

3946
02:32:35,750 --> 02:32:34,399
and and very soon his wikipedia page is

3947
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:35,760
going to be a hell of a lot bigger than

3948
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:37,439
it is right now and it's not very big

3949
02:32:42,070 --> 02:32:39,280
that's going to change

3950
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:42,080
uh and john mack's legacy is going to

3951
02:32:45,670 --> 02:32:42,640
get

3952
02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:45,680
put into play big time at exactly the

3953
02:32:49,030 --> 02:32:46,880
right time

3954
02:32:51,349 --> 02:32:49,040
why is he publishing that book now in

3955
02:32:54,630 --> 02:32:51,359
march why why did the why did

3956
02:32:56,230 --> 02:32:54,640
the mars perseverance land in february

3957
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:56,240
why is the new york times holding off

3958
02:33:00,469 --> 02:32:58,240
before the major articles

3959
02:33:01,590 --> 02:33:00,479
because we have a new president hearings

3960
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:01,600
on on the table

3961
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:04,399
disclosure is in the works and all of

3962
02:33:08,950 --> 02:33:05,359
this wants to be

3963
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:08,960
they want this on stage now and it's all

3964
02:33:14,309 --> 02:33:11,120
coming together

3965
02:33:17,349 --> 02:33:14,319
and i i have i i have two

3966
02:33:18,389 --> 02:33:17,359
comments and yes and and the first is

3967
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:18,399
this

3968
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:21,520
when it came to ralph and i did the same

3969
02:33:24,710 --> 02:33:23,600
thing i reached out to ralph last year

3970
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:24,720
and

3971
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,520
writing this book

3972
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:31,439
you're going to love it after the book

3973
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:33,840
comes out you know let's do this right

3974
02:33:36,710 --> 02:33:34,560
okay

3975
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:36,720
got the same by the way same thing with

3976
02:33:41,270 --> 02:33:38,880
avi loeb over the last few years too

3977
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:41,280
as well um trying to get him on the show

3978
02:33:46,830 --> 02:33:43,120
he's like i'm writing this book

3979
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:46,840
uh when it's done but anyway with ralph

3980
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:50,560
after december of 2017 and everything

3981
02:33:54,870 --> 02:33:51,520
else

3982
02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:54,880
and you're right he went independent

3983
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:57,920
of all of the subjects that he

3984
02:34:01,910 --> 02:34:00,399
could have written about with this new

3985
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:01,920
book and it doesn't matter it's ralph

3986
02:34:05,590 --> 02:34:03,120
blumenthal it's going to be

3987
02:34:07,349 --> 02:34:05,600
a new york times bestseller it's john

3988
02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:07,359
mack

3989
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,280
and you have to step back and ask

3990
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:11,359
yourself why

3991
02:34:15,630 --> 02:34:14,160
let me answer you the john mack project

3992
02:34:17,750 --> 02:34:15,640
was well in the works before

3993
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:17,760
2017. do you think so he didn't just

3994
02:34:20,870 --> 02:34:18,720
that's possible

3995
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,880
okay oh no he when i i talked to him in

3996
02:34:24,309 --> 02:34:22,479
mid 2016

3997
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:24,319
he was working on the book this is a

3998
02:34:26,790 --> 02:34:25,439
major book he's probably been working

3999
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,800
that book for five six years

4000
02:34:30,309 --> 02:34:28,640
sure okay he had to get he had to get he

4001
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:30,319
had to get permissions from the family

4002
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:30,800
he

4003
02:34:37,270 --> 02:34:34,240
huge and so

4004
02:34:38,790 --> 02:34:37,280
um uh no he he was working on it and

4005
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:38,800
that's his book but i'm telling you he

4006
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:40,479
picked that great when he picked a

4007
02:34:43,990 --> 02:34:42,800
wonderful topic and the timing though

4008
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:44,000
the timing why

4009
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:47,359
john mack now you know with ralph

4010
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:51,280
blumenthal because

4011
02:34:54,790 --> 02:34:52,640
well first of all no i agree with

4012
02:34:56,469 --> 02:34:54,800
everything that you just said

4013
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:56,479
no one had done a biography of mac that

4014
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:58,560
i'm aware of and if they did it had

4015
02:35:03,270 --> 02:35:00,479
nothing nothing to do with the zt work

4016
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:03,280
so this is the first biography of mac um

4017
02:35:06,469 --> 02:35:04,319
of john mack

4018
02:35:07,990 --> 02:35:06,479
who is a very important figure in the

4019
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:08,000
20th century

4020
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:11,680
with huge implications for the et issue

4021
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:12,080
and

4022
02:35:15,270 --> 02:35:14,479
provided all the gravitas went through

4023
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:15,280
hell

4024
02:35:22,070 --> 02:35:18,479
uh and now disclosure is coming

4025
02:35:22,790 --> 02:35:22,080
it's a perfect book right and he can do

4026
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:22,800
it i mean

4027
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:26,000
he so he's he's through this book

4028
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:29,280
he's going to to uh reignite

4029
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:32,479
mac's work he's going to confirm it uh

4030
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:34,000
he's going to obviously

4031
02:35:38,790 --> 02:35:37,120
boost the the situation on contactees

4032
02:35:39,990 --> 02:35:38,800
who obviously still are going to be in

4033
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:40,000
the closet they're not going to be able

4034
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,800
to do their thing

4035
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:43,040
in grand scale until after disclosure

4036
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:44,960
but nevertheless a major contribution

4037
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:46,080
now

4038
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:48,160
he may he may write some or he may write

4039
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:49,600
some new york times articles but down

4040
02:35:52,630 --> 02:35:51,120
anything he wants

4041
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:52,640
uh i'm sure he's going to be a

4042
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:54,880
significant player in this field

4043
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:55,840
pre-disclosure

4044
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:58,080
post-disclosure he has established

4045
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:59,200
himself

4046
02:36:02,710 --> 02:36:01,920
now through none of those articles but

4047
02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:02,720
this

4048
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:09,200
throughout his career was basically

4049
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:09,920
nothing

4050
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:13,600
he probably wasn't involved at all

4051
02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:15,680
but he but he's a he's smart guys the

4052
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:17,040
editor of new york so he knows stuff

4053
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:18,720
going on

4054
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:21,280
he had a chance late in life to engage

4055
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:22,720
this issue in a meaningful way and

4056
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:23,680
become part of it

4057
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:25,680
and he took it and that's it he

4058
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:27,280
certainly took it and it

4059
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:30,479
it takes me back to uh uh

4060
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:32,880
30 minutes ago when we came back after

4061
02:36:36,790 --> 02:36:34,399
the break

4062
02:36:38,790 --> 02:36:36,800
and i want the community to understand

4063
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:38,800
what i am suggesting here

4064
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:41,840
we're talking about harvard and

4065
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:45,359
everything that is connected to

4066
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:48,560
the name harvard when you hear it

4067
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,920
it is as prestigious and as credible as

4068
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:53,280
anything that you can bring up in a

4069
02:36:58,070 --> 02:36:54,960
conversation and

4070
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:58,080
with harvard right now we've got avi

4071
02:37:02,309 --> 02:36:59,280
loeb

4072
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:02,319
and his new book extraterrestrial

4073
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:05,280
and we've got ralph blumenthal and john

4074
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:06,240
mack

4075
02:37:12,550 --> 02:37:09,359
two harvard professors with pedigree

4076
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:12,560
beyond measure at the same time

4077
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:15,359
with everything else that is going on

4078
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:17,200
around the world with the ufo issue i

4079
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:18,960
don't think it's a coincidence stephen

4080
02:37:21,590 --> 02:37:20,080
not at all

4081
02:37:23,349 --> 02:37:21,600
the authors of these books are very

4082
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:23,359
smart people

4083
02:37:28,389 --> 02:37:26,399
uh harvard by the way harvard

4084
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:28,399
i i one of the reasons he's not getting

4085
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:30,000
any pushback from harvard

4086
02:37:33,030 --> 02:37:31,359
of course i'm sure the book is

4087
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:33,040
impeccable it's mostly science oh he's

4088
02:37:37,190 --> 02:37:34,479
getting pushed back no he's

4089
02:37:38,309 --> 02:37:37,200
uh stephen let me jump in you should go

4090
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:38,319
and listen

4091
02:37:41,349 --> 02:37:40,319
uh to my interview with avi loeb i did

4092
02:37:44,550 --> 02:37:41,359
it last week it's

4093
02:37:46,550 --> 02:37:44,560
two hours okay this isn't a five-minute

4094
02:37:50,150 --> 02:37:46,560
ovule conversation

4095
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:50,160
it's a full two hours and i engage

4096
02:37:53,590 --> 02:37:52,800
with him it's a great conversation by

4097
02:37:56,550 --> 02:37:53,600
the way i

4098
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:56,560
i highly recommend it but i engage with

4099
02:38:00,389 --> 02:37:57,840
him a few times

4100
02:38:02,389 --> 02:38:00,399
about what everybody else is seeing in

4101
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:02,399
the world what i have seen what millions

4102
02:38:06,070 --> 02:38:03,760
of people have witnessed the

4103
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:06,080
the history of what's going on and he

4104
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:07,840
said look i don't discount this is

4105
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:10,960
avi so i don't discount any of that but

4106
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:12,640
my book is about

4107
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:16,080
the data it's not whether i believe

4108
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:18,720
that this is a ufo or this is et it's

4109
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:19,840
not about that

4110
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:24,160
the data is read and the data suggests

4111
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:26,640
something else that's what the book is

4112
02:38:30,070 --> 02:38:27,680
based on

4113
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:30,080
and i'm going to stand behind the data

4114
02:38:33,510 --> 02:38:31,120
and the way that i

4115
02:38:34,630 --> 02:38:33,520
interpret it and that's obvious position

4116
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:34,640
and it's strong

4117
02:38:37,830 --> 02:38:36,960
it is strong but that that's exactly

4118
02:38:40,230 --> 02:38:37,840
what he would do

4119
02:38:41,990 --> 02:38:40,240
he can't come out and say look i i have

4120
02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:42,000
this theory about umumula

4121
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:43,760
but hey i've been pretty much aware of

4122
02:38:47,510 --> 02:38:45,359
those extraterrestrials here

4123
02:38:49,190 --> 02:38:47,520
right for for years like you know and

4124
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:49,200
pull a bigelow no no no no that's a

4125
02:38:51,429 --> 02:38:50,640
problem harvard is gonna have a problem

4126
02:38:53,910 --> 02:38:51,439
with that

4127
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:53,920
right so he is he is and it's the same

4128
02:38:57,590 --> 02:38:54,960
thing with with uh

4129
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:57,600
with marco rubio he made a move that was

4130
02:39:00,309 --> 02:38:58,240
safe

4131
02:39:01,910 --> 02:39:00,319
but got him involved he's making a move

4132
02:39:02,389 --> 02:39:01,920
that gets him involved but it's a safe

4133
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:02,399
play

4134
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:03,920
he's not going to give you any further

4135
02:39:08,070 --> 02:39:05,520
personal views he has on it

4136
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:08,080
but it's also safe for harvard and i can

4137
02:39:10,150 --> 02:39:08,640
see why

4138
02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:10,160
harvard is certainly not going to push

4139
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:11,520
back at him because he's doing them a

4140
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:12,479
huge favor

4141
02:39:16,790 --> 02:39:15,680
because believe me if it's if only

4142
02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:16,800
because i fully

4143
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:19,520
intend to harvard is going to answer for

4144
02:39:23,750 --> 02:39:22,000
what it did to john mack

4145
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:23,760
harvard is the epitome of our of our

4146
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:25,280
university system by the way

4147
02:39:28,950 --> 02:39:27,040
the entire university college system of

4148
02:39:31,830 --> 02:39:28,960
america which is 5 000 colleges

4149
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:31,840
and universities that of which millions

4150
02:39:35,990 --> 02:39:33,280
a couple of millions of professors have

4151
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:36,000
passed through since 1940s

4152
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:38,479
has completely with only the tiniest

4153
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:40,080
bits of exception

4154
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:42,960
ignored and didn't and dis not engaged

4155
02:39:47,429 --> 02:39:45,200
the et issue as if it didn't exist

4156
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:47,439
this is the intellectual power and might

4157
02:39:51,110 --> 02:39:48,560
of america

4158
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:51,120
took a complete pass on it and harvard

4159
02:39:55,510 --> 02:39:52,479
is the symbol

4160
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:55,520
of that monumental institutional or

4161
02:39:59,750 --> 02:39:57,120
intellectual failure

4162
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:59,760
all right and so yeah they're going to

4163
02:40:05,910 --> 02:40:00,160
take

4164
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:05,920
heat off of them in other words hey we

4165
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:08,080
didn't we're not giving him a hard time

4166
02:40:11,190 --> 02:40:09,520
and maybe they have something else up

4167
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:11,200
their sleeve okay

4168
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:14,160
but you can be damn sure that i'm i'm

4169
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:14,800
going to

4170
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:18,000
make sure that harvard has to deal with

4171
02:40:21,269 --> 02:40:18,880
this

4172
02:40:22,630 --> 02:40:21,279
i won't be that hard actually uh because

4173
02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:22,640
i'll have a pretty good platform

4174
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:24,640
post-disclosure i believe

4175
02:40:28,550 --> 02:40:25,840
and they're gonna answer for it and

4176
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:28,560
apologize to the family for god's sakes

4177
02:40:32,389 --> 02:40:30,720
because and but the truth but they were

4178
02:40:33,990 --> 02:40:32,399
also a victim of the truth of barbara if

4179
02:40:36,070 --> 02:40:34,000
there wasn't a truth embargo

4180
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:36,080
that had already been in place since 47

4181
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:37,200
to 94.

4182
02:40:42,790 --> 02:40:41,200
what's that 37 uh 47 years

4183
02:40:44,630 --> 02:40:42,800
there would have been no field class

4184
02:40:45,910 --> 02:40:44,640
capable of pulling a con job like on

4185
02:40:48,550 --> 02:40:45,920
that trying to take him down

4186
02:40:49,030 --> 02:40:48,560
right your class would have existed

4187
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:49,040
right

4188
02:40:53,110 --> 02:40:50,880
so the truth embargo opened the doors

4189
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:53,120
for class that other people like him

4190
02:40:56,469 --> 02:40:54,880
to screw around with this issue as well

4191
02:40:57,830 --> 02:40:56,479
from the citizen side whether they were

4192
02:40:58,469 --> 02:40:57,840
hired by the government or not didn't

4193
02:41:00,630 --> 02:40:58,479
matter

4194
02:41:01,990 --> 02:41:00,640
the door was open for all of that just

4195
02:41:04,150 --> 02:41:02,000
in all kinds of prejudices

4196
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:04,160
and bigotry the government opens the

4197
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:05,840
door and makes it possible for people

4198
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:07,120
that want to be bigoted to come in and

4199
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:08,000
do their thing

4200
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:11,359
right right right right and uh

4201
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:13,520
if you go back and i'm so glad that you

4202
02:41:17,910 --> 02:41:14,560
brought up

4203
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:17,920
1995 in 1996 because

4204
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:21,520
back then there was

4205
02:41:27,830 --> 02:41:24,560
no other planets outside of

4206
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:27,840
our solar system that was 1995.

4207
02:41:39,830 --> 02:41:36,230
we wondered we thought about it we

4208
02:41:42,870 --> 02:41:39,840
postulated but there weren't any

4209
02:41:44,790 --> 02:41:42,880
1995 the first 1996 a second

4210
02:41:47,750 --> 02:41:44,800
in in the next three four years there

4211
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:47,760
were five only five stephen

4212
02:41:53,670 --> 02:41:51,279
today what does avilobe have behind him

4213
02:41:55,030 --> 02:41:53,680
and the rest of astronomy and physics

4214
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:55,040
and astrophysics

4215
02:42:02,950 --> 02:41:58,800
is that there are 20 to 40 billion

4216
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:02,960
earth-like planets just in our milky way

4217
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:05,279
so now if you are a researcher you're an

4218
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:07,439
astronomer you're a physicist

4219
02:42:13,269 --> 02:42:10,960
you can now dip your toe into this in a

4220
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:13,279
safer way than you ever could in the

4221
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:14,000
past

4222
02:42:18,070 --> 02:42:15,840
and that is what's going on today with

4223
02:42:21,429 --> 02:42:18,080
science it's uh the numbers

4224
02:42:24,630 --> 02:42:21,439
and the data um are forcing them

4225
02:42:26,790 --> 02:42:24,640
to uh not avoid the issue you can no

4226
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:26,800
longer say well there's only uh one

4227
02:42:29,750 --> 02:42:28,640
planet out there i mean how much life

4228
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:29,760
can there be

4229
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:32,080
well now we know that the number is 40

4230
02:42:38,830 --> 02:42:32,880
billion

4231
02:42:40,150 --> 02:42:38,840
just in the milky way not in the

4232
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:40,160
universe

4233
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:42,000
i agree with you but let me put it this

4234
02:42:48,070 --> 02:42:44,720
way uh

4235
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:48,080
michio kaku neil degrasse tyson even avi

4236
02:42:51,429 --> 02:42:49,600
loeb

4237
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:51,439
they're putting their foot in the water

4238
02:42:54,309 --> 02:42:53,040
though dyson is

4239
02:42:56,790 --> 02:42:54,319
probably sitting on the side of the pool

4240
02:42:57,750 --> 02:42:56,800
with whatever they're running out of

4241
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:57,760
time

4242
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:59,439
in other words they need to get more in

4243
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:00,800
the water than that

4244
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:03,600
okay the longer they they don't jump

4245
02:43:07,510 --> 02:43:05,920
they wait to jump into the pool

4246
02:43:09,030 --> 02:43:07,520
uh now bigelow's jumped in the pool

4247
02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:09,040
that's an example of jumping in the pool

4248
02:43:12,150 --> 02:43:09,760
okay

4249
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:12,160
uh the harder it is going to be on them

4250
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:14,319
because they're very very smart and the

4251
02:43:19,230 --> 02:43:16,800
question is how did you miss it

4252
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:19,240
how did you miss it right up to what 2

4253
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:22,560
2021 and now you oh there's each easier

4254
02:43:25,670 --> 02:43:24,399
it's tough but i get it you know they

4255
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:25,680
they all have

4256
02:43:29,670 --> 02:43:27,359
their careers and lives and the

4257
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:29,680
constraints and same with the tts boys

4258
02:43:32,950 --> 02:43:31,200
who are not people will come out and say

4259
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:32,960
there's etc a matter of factly

4260
02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:34,319
only bigelow could do that because

4261
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:36,240
they're under constraints too no problem

4262
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:38,160
as long as we get disclosure

4263
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:40,800
i'm good with that that's okay all right

4264
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:42,080
but uh

4265
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:45,520
uh the data

4266
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:47,840
hey look i was gonna become an

4267
02:43:53,510 --> 02:43:50,560
astrophysicist that was my game plan

4268
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,520
but i had a lot of problems in college

4269
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:55,439
it was the vietnam war was going on and

4270
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:57,040
i think at some point i realized even if

4271
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:58,560
i managed to get through this i would be

4272
02:44:02,469 --> 02:43:59,680
a mediocre

4273
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:02,479
astrophysicist i've seen the pictures

4274
02:44:07,750 --> 02:44:04,479
you were bona fide hippie so let's

4275
02:44:09,750 --> 02:44:07,760
just uh right right so i went instead i

4276
02:44:12,870 --> 02:44:09,760
went came up became a mediocre tennis

4277
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:12,880
player but right but

4278
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:14,560
my my heart has always been in science

4279
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:16,319
and i do have a lot of science books and

4280
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:16,880
i'm

4281
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:20,000
relatively literate uh and so

4282
02:44:25,429 --> 02:44:23,279
look uh

4283
02:44:27,190 --> 02:44:25,439
when i've said many times over the years

4284
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:27,200
that the truth embargoes

4285
02:44:30,950 --> 02:44:29,600
death was inevitable and that disclosure

4286
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:30,960
was inevitable

4287
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:33,200
and i know that for many scientists

4288
02:44:36,309 --> 02:44:34,640
whatever they whatever they

4289
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:36,319
believe personally about the et issue

4290
02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:37,760
and i know there are thousands of them

4291
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:38,880
that know full well there's an et

4292
02:44:41,910 --> 02:44:40,160
presence

4293
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:41,920
when those when the kepler satellite

4294
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:44,160
went up and then the other second

4295
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:45,600
satellite went up and they started doing

4296
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:46,640
these the uh

4297
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:50,240
the survey of the gas tests yeah

4298
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:51,680
and they started getting the results

4299
02:44:56,230 --> 02:44:53,520
back i think most of them realized

4300
02:44:57,990 --> 02:44:56,240
yeah that's that's kind of the ball game

4301
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:58,000
and then as the numbers mounted and

4302
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:00,000
mounted and mounted and mounted

4303
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:02,880
it was in in the late 1990s believe it

4304
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:04,399
or not there was a scientist whose name

4305
02:45:07,110 --> 02:45:05,040
has now

4306
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:07,120
disappeared into history that wrote a

4307
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:09,120
book that got a lot of initial attention

4308
02:45:13,269 --> 02:45:10,479
called rare earth

4309
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:13,279
where he made the case that earth was

4310
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:14,160
probably an

4311
02:45:20,150 --> 02:45:17,359
extreme anomaly all right

4312
02:45:21,510 --> 02:45:20,160
uh i haven't heard from him lately so as

4313
02:45:23,269 --> 02:45:21,520
those numbers bounded up

4314
02:45:24,550 --> 02:45:23,279
the pressure now on the government and

4315
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:24,560
the truth embargo is getting

4316
02:45:28,710 --> 02:45:26,720
heavier and heavier and heavier it's

4317
02:45:30,950 --> 02:45:28,720
becoming increasingly ludicrous

4318
02:45:32,630 --> 02:45:30,960
which is why i think even starting as

4319
02:45:35,670 --> 02:45:32,640
early as 2000

4320
02:45:36,870 --> 02:45:35,680
they weren't actively uh uh running the

4321
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:36,880
truth embargo in other words they

4322
02:45:40,230 --> 02:45:38,560
weren't putting energy into it

4323
02:45:42,309 --> 02:45:40,240
they had a lot of momentum going there

4324
02:45:43,349 --> 02:45:42,319
from some 50 some years and they just

4325
02:45:45,030 --> 02:45:43,359
kind of let it go

4326
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:45,040
on its own momentum but they weren't

4327
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:46,880
servicing it which opened the door for

4328
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:48,399
us to make progress

4329
02:45:51,990 --> 02:45:49,840
knowing that eventually it's going to

4330
02:45:53,110 --> 02:45:52,000
slow down and it's going to music's

4331
02:45:54,630 --> 02:45:53,120
going to stop

4332
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:54,640
and the question is who is going to be

4333
02:45:56,630 --> 02:45:56,000
in the chairs and who's going to be

4334
02:45:58,710 --> 02:45:56,640
standing

4335
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:58,720
you know up on the dance floor looking

4336
02:46:02,150 --> 02:46:00,000
foolish

4337
02:46:04,150 --> 02:46:02,160
well we're almost there and this and the

4338
02:46:05,349 --> 02:46:04,160
planet surveys were very powerful

4339
02:46:07,510 --> 02:46:05,359
i mean very powerful now there's

4340
02:46:08,630 --> 02:46:07,520
something else that i've said recently

4341
02:46:10,150 --> 02:46:08,640
i've put a post up and i'm going to

4342
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:10,160
double down on it

4343
02:46:19,349 --> 02:46:17,030
within the next 45 days

4344
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:19,359
do not be surprised if we suddenly get

4345
02:46:24,550 --> 02:46:21,200
announcement either from

4346
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:24,560
nasa or or china

4347
02:46:28,150 --> 02:46:27,520
or india all of which have orbiters

4348
02:46:31,190 --> 02:46:28,160
around

4349
02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:31,200
mars two of them have one and also one

4350
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:32,160
has a uh

4351
02:46:36,070 --> 02:46:34,080
an orbiter on the dark side of the moon

4352
02:46:39,190 --> 02:46:36,080
and of course we've got perseverance

4353
02:46:42,790 --> 02:46:39,200
that we get confirmation of life

4354
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:42,800
either fossil or actually living now

4355
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:46,000
life and it could be a all has to be as

4356
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:48,000
a sculpture and a side of a rock

4357
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:49,680
but if you look at the timing of

4358
02:46:54,870 --> 02:46:52,560
everything and if you're nasa

4359
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:54,880
who was going which is going to have a

4360
02:46:57,990 --> 02:46:55,680
huge

4361
02:46:59,510 --> 02:46:58,000
list of really [\h__\h] questions that

4362
02:47:00,309 --> 02:46:59,520
they're going to have to answer i mean

4363
02:47:03,910 --> 02:47:00,319
nasa

4364
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:03,920
is going to have a rough time okay

4365
02:47:08,389 --> 02:47:07,680
uh it would be really nice if you could

4366
02:47:11,510 --> 02:47:08,399
be

4367
02:47:14,389 --> 02:47:11,520
the first entity to confirm

4368
02:47:16,469 --> 02:47:14,399
life outside the planet and maybe even

4369
02:47:17,110 --> 02:47:16,479
former intelligent life outside the

4370
02:47:19,190 --> 02:47:17,120
planet

4371
02:47:21,150 --> 02:47:19,200
and have that come down say i don't know

4372
02:47:24,550 --> 02:47:21,160
march april of

4373
02:47:26,389 --> 02:47:24,560
2021 i got a feeling that's coming

4374
02:47:28,710 --> 02:47:26,399
got a real good feeling about that i

4375
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:28,720
wanna uh i wanna go back to bud hopkins

4376
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:30,880
and and john mack for a second one of

4377
02:47:35,670 --> 02:47:32,560
the things and i never

4378
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:35,680
met either of them okay but

4379
02:47:40,469 --> 02:47:39,600
um i've studied read watched everything

4380
02:47:43,030 --> 02:47:40,479
that i can

4381
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:43,040
on on those two guys but one of the

4382
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:44,479
things

4383
02:47:52,230 --> 02:47:48,160
that they were very steadfast

4384
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:52,240
about was bs

4385
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:55,279
they were about data credibility moving

4386
02:48:00,309 --> 02:47:57,200
this issue forward that has

4387
02:48:03,349 --> 02:48:00,319
its issues with the public and they

4388
02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:03,359
just didn't want uh people bringing

4389
02:48:08,710 --> 02:48:06,560
stuff in and muddying the waters that

4390
02:48:12,150 --> 02:48:08,720
couldn't be confirmed

4391
02:48:14,469 --> 02:48:12,160
and which for me was bizarre because

4392
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:14,479
of the subject matter that they were

4393
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:15,439
dealing with

4394
02:48:19,990 --> 02:48:18,319
which is probably the craziest of all

4395
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:20,000
which is abductions and

4396
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:23,840
experiencers right and it's like the two

4397
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:28,399
but today with disclosure the

4398
02:48:33,910 --> 02:48:32,240
one thing the one part about all of this

4399
02:48:35,269 --> 02:48:33,920
is the millions of people around the

4400
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:35,279
world that

4401
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:38,479
have talked about this spoken about this

4402
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:41,520
they know their personal uh

4403
02:48:48,550 --> 02:48:45,439
issues with it that need to be

4404
02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:48,560
patted on the back now either they

4405
02:48:53,830 --> 02:48:51,680
are all crazy

4406
02:48:56,309 --> 02:48:53,840
or this is something that has been going

4407
02:48:57,510 --> 02:48:56,319
on for a very long time with a large

4408
02:49:00,469 --> 02:48:57,520
amount of people

4409
02:49:01,510 --> 02:49:00,479
it's not just travis walton we're

4410
02:49:05,110 --> 02:49:01,520
talking about a

4411
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:05,120
huge number of people aren't we

4412
02:49:11,670 --> 02:49:08,720
contact has been confirmed he just

4413
02:49:13,349 --> 02:49:11,680
uh the the half a million to a million

4414
02:49:14,870 --> 02:49:13,359
reports that have accumulated since the

4415
02:49:17,590 --> 02:49:14,880
1980s and the

4416
02:49:19,269 --> 02:49:17,600
in the the files of the researchers

4417
02:49:21,269 --> 02:49:19,279
which have been reviewed

4418
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:21,279
but never compiled which was a huge

4419
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:22,960
multi-million dollar project

4420
02:49:26,230 --> 02:49:24,640
these people didn't send in a half a

4421
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:26,240
million to a million accounts

4422
02:49:29,429 --> 02:49:27,600
privately to researchers of their

4423
02:49:31,030 --> 02:49:29,439
experience with the e.t issue

4424
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:31,040
because they wanted fame and glory they

4425
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:32,560
got none of that or any money

4426
02:49:35,590 --> 02:49:34,399
exactly they wanted to tell their story

4427
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:35,600
and then there's the research

4428
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:37,600
it's not even believe me it's 100

4429
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:38,800
guaranteed certainty

4430
02:49:42,950 --> 02:49:41,760
is it messier yeah it's not physics okay

4431
02:49:45,990 --> 02:49:42,960
i get that

4432
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:46,000
and by the way look it's a human

4433
02:49:50,950 --> 02:49:49,200
it's it's human nature that if you're

4434
02:49:54,230 --> 02:49:50,960
pursuing something

4435
02:49:56,870 --> 02:49:54,240
and and you're passionate about it that

4436
02:49:57,429 --> 02:49:56,880
you you hate the idea of anybody doing

4437
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:57,439
anything

4438
02:50:01,590 --> 02:50:00,720
that's going to harm the important work

4439
02:50:03,110 --> 02:50:01,600
that you're doing

4440
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:03,120
but the world doesn't work that way and

4441
02:50:05,349 --> 02:50:04,640
history doesn't work that way even in

4442
02:50:06,710 --> 02:50:05,359
science

4443
02:50:08,230 --> 02:50:06,720
you can be involved in some major

4444
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:08,240
science project and there's guys that

4445
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:09,840
working as parallels similar theories

4446
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:10,960
they're doing all kinds of stuff

4447
02:50:14,630 --> 02:50:13,439
and they have these these you know the

4448
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:14,640
wars of

4449
02:50:17,910 --> 02:50:16,960
uh where they fire papers back at each

4450
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:17,920
other so

4451
02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:19,920
you just don't get it that way but i can

4452
02:50:24,469 --> 02:50:22,000
tell on a personal level

4453
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:24,479
bud hopkins got very angry with me in

4454
02:50:27,269 --> 02:50:25,279
the last

4455
02:50:29,030 --> 02:50:27,279
months a year of his life and he told me

4456
02:50:30,469 --> 02:50:29,040
so to my face he thought i was

4457
02:50:33,670 --> 02:50:30,479
i was just bringing all kinds of crap

4458
02:50:36,150 --> 02:50:33,680
into this and it was messing things up

4459
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:36,160
i don't agree of course but i understand

4460
02:50:38,469 --> 02:50:37,200
now mac

4461
02:50:40,309 --> 02:50:38,479
wouldn't have thought that way mac was a

4462
02:50:42,630 --> 02:50:40,319
very different kind of guy he

4463
02:50:43,910 --> 02:50:42,640
understood that the kind of work you do

4464
02:50:46,469 --> 02:50:43,920
in psychology is not

4465
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:46,479
physics but he did get a couple of

4466
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:48,399
papers published

4467
02:50:51,750 --> 02:50:51,040
right and he was proud of that he added

4468
02:50:58,309 --> 02:50:51,760
to the

4469
02:51:00,710 --> 02:50:58,319
uh given given the field that he was in

4470
02:51:02,070 --> 02:51:00,720
you could only go so far i mean my god

4471
02:51:03,670 --> 02:51:02,080
they still can't they're not sure what

4472
02:51:05,269 --> 02:51:03,680
the hell causes schizophrenia

4473
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:05,279
but being in that kind of work which is

4474
02:51:09,990 --> 02:51:07,439
why it took so much courage

4475
02:51:11,910 --> 02:51:10,000
a lot more courage than avila had to

4476
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:11,920
expand in order to take that interesting

4477
02:51:16,070 --> 02:51:14,240
theory about umuah

4478
02:51:17,670 --> 02:51:16,080
he knew he was totally vulnerable they

4479
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:17,680
couldn't they could have savaged them in

4480
02:51:20,630 --> 02:51:18,640
that panel

4481
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:20,640
right you're talking to these people

4482
02:51:23,429 --> 02:51:22,080
they're not really the contactees what

4483
02:51:24,150 --> 02:51:23,439
about that woman to fake it you can get

4484
02:51:26,550 --> 02:51:24,160
that right

4485
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:26,560
you're screwing up they got ptsd you're

4486
02:51:31,269 --> 02:51:28,560
a menace to society

4487
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:31,279
and we're we're taking your tenure he

4488
02:51:35,030 --> 02:51:32,000
knew that that was

4489
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:35,040
a risk but he was so good

4490
02:51:38,710 --> 02:51:37,200
and he had a track record of

4491
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:38,720
extraordinary work

4492
02:51:44,389 --> 02:51:42,160
in anti-war movement in the uh uh in the

4493
02:51:45,349 --> 02:51:44,399
anti-nuclear movement i mean he did

4494
02:51:47,670 --> 02:51:45,359
tremendous stuff

4495
02:51:49,349 --> 02:51:47,680
and so they couldn't do that to him and

4496
02:51:50,469 --> 02:51:49,359
even and danny shane made sure they

4497
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:50,479
couldn't do that to him

4498
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:53,520
but it shows you how much courage it

4499
02:51:57,110 --> 02:51:54,880
took for john

4500
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:57,120
to go there but he went there and that's

4501
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:59,439
one of the reasons why i read i'd read a

4502
02:52:03,349 --> 02:52:00,000
number of books

4503
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:03,359
that were impressive that

4504
02:52:07,830 --> 02:52:05,840
didn't hit me like his book did his book

4505
02:52:11,030 --> 02:52:07,840
sent a message to me

4506
02:52:12,469 --> 02:52:11,040
that this thing is matured it's it's

4507
02:52:13,910 --> 02:52:12,479
happening

4508
02:52:16,389 --> 02:52:13,920
you want to do something with your life

4509
02:52:17,750 --> 02:52:16,399
steve get on this train

4510
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:17,760
and at the end of the book i think the

4511
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:19,840
last page there was a address and a

4512
02:52:23,110 --> 02:52:21,040
phone number for

4513
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:23,120
his organization and so i called him up

4514
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:24,560
and the rest is history

4515
02:52:31,429 --> 02:52:27,600
i i don't think we will ever know

4516
02:52:33,110 --> 02:52:31,439
but i think this is true john mack is no

4517
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:33,120
longer with us

4518
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:39,349
did a session and then

4519
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:42,720
he did another one and there was

4520
02:52:47,830 --> 02:52:46,319
something that was revealed in those two

4521
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:47,840
sessions that only he

4522
02:52:53,190 --> 02:52:51,040
knew that freaked him out

4523
02:52:55,030 --> 02:52:53,200
two similarities two things and i don't

4524
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:55,040
i don't know what that was

4525
02:52:59,110 --> 02:52:57,279
um and he certainly never revealed it

4526
02:53:01,030 --> 02:52:59,120
but but there was no

4527
02:53:03,349 --> 02:53:01,040
how do you know that well there has to

4528
02:53:03,750 --> 02:53:03,359
be something that takes a guy like john

4529
02:53:07,269 --> 02:53:03,760
mack

4530
02:53:10,230 --> 02:53:07,279
down that road with a reckless abandon

4531
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:10,240
there were some men there i don't i

4532
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:11,760
don't know i don't know what it is i can

4533
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:13,040
tell you i can give you i can tell you

4534
02:53:17,190 --> 02:53:15,040
the story some of the story

4535
02:53:18,790 --> 02:53:17,200
as the as the phenomena was developing

4536
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:18,800
naturally yeah being his

4537
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:21,840
who he was uh he was he was being

4538
02:53:24,309 --> 02:53:22,880
approached by people

4539
02:53:25,429 --> 02:53:24,319
should you look make sure you look into

4540
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:25,439
this you might want to look into this

4541
02:53:27,830 --> 02:53:26,160
john

4542
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:27,840
uh so he's and he was rejecting it he

4543
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:29,600
said look i i don't see

4544
02:53:33,910 --> 02:53:31,359
the path there i don't see a path here

4545
02:53:37,110 --> 02:53:33,920
but finally he was approached by so many

4546
02:53:38,309 --> 02:53:37,120
they decided okay i'll i'll let me check

4547
02:53:39,510 --> 02:53:38,319
this out a little bit

4548
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:39,520
now there were some books out there you

4549
02:53:44,710 --> 02:53:42,240
could read and maybe he did but he

4550
02:53:46,389 --> 02:53:44,720
got in touch with bud hopkins and said

4551
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:46,399
like to come down to new york and talk

4552
02:53:49,590 --> 02:53:47,120
to you

4553
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:49,600
about this i'm considering it so he goes

4554
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:50,399
down to see bud

4555
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,680
at his studio i was actually in that

4556
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:53,520
studio once myself pretty cool

4557
02:53:56,469 --> 02:53:54,720
bud was an artist you know he was

4558
02:53:56,950 --> 02:53:56,479
basically an artist right very talented

4559
02:53:58,469 --> 02:53:56,960
man

4560
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:58,479
i hope i hope to see him fully

4561
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:59,840
vindicated and elevated in a

4562
02:54:02,710 --> 02:54:00,800
post-disclosure

4563
02:54:04,309 --> 02:54:02,720
period so he goes down there and they're

4564
02:54:05,990 --> 02:54:04,319
talking about it and now he's trying to

4565
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:06,000
get a handle on what's going on

4566
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:08,160
and bud mentions why not you know john

4567
02:54:11,590 --> 02:54:10,319
i've i've had countless letters sent to

4568
02:54:13,670 --> 02:54:11,600
me from people that have had these

4569
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:13,680
experience because i wrote the book

4570
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:16,319
uh i forget the name of the book he

4571
02:54:19,269 --> 02:54:17,600
wrote witness the

4572
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:19,279
no witness that whatever anyway it's a

4573
02:54:25,110 --> 02:54:21,120
book about the uh the

4574
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:25,120
um the abduction in new york uh

4575
02:54:28,469 --> 02:54:27,359
and i can't even open them all and so a

4576
02:54:29,750 --> 02:54:28,479
bunch of them are in the closet there's

4577
02:54:30,630 --> 02:54:29,760
a big pile of them in the closet why

4578
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:30,640
don't you go

4579
02:54:34,070 --> 02:54:32,720
go to closet grab three or four of them

4580
02:54:36,710 --> 02:54:34,080
just open them and read them

4581
02:54:37,990 --> 02:54:36,720
see what you get potluck so he goes over

4582
02:54:39,429 --> 02:54:38,000
he grabs his letter sits down he's

4583
02:54:42,550 --> 02:54:39,439
reading these things

4584
02:54:43,830 --> 02:54:42,560
and it really hit him random letters out

4585
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:43,840
of a big pile

4586
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:45,359
and he's reading these stories and

4587
02:54:49,590 --> 02:54:47,200
you've heard some of them sold out

4588
02:54:50,469 --> 02:54:49,600
of people very powerfully trying to

4589
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:50,479
convey

4590
02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:52,640
this is what happened to me i'm telling

4591
02:54:57,349 --> 02:54:54,720
you i haven't told anybody else ever

4592
02:54:59,190 --> 02:54:57,359
okay and that helped to convince him and

4593
02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:59,200
then i think thomas kuhn had an impact

4594
02:55:02,230 --> 02:55:00,640
on him as well this is not something he

4595
02:55:04,389 --> 02:55:02,240
just jumped in casually

4596
02:55:05,590 --> 02:55:04,399
he worked his way to it and decided like

4597
02:55:08,630 --> 02:55:05,600
i did

4598
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:08,640
but obviously from a higher platform

4599
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:11,439
that you you simply can't walk away from

4600
02:55:15,830 --> 02:55:13,439
something of this magnitude

4601
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:15,840
if you are an intellectual and a

4602
02:55:19,990 --> 02:55:17,040
researcher

4603
02:55:21,670 --> 02:55:20,000
and a so and a socially conscious person

4604
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:21,680
you know he he founded this organization

4605
02:55:24,950 --> 02:55:22,800
called the center for

4606
02:55:26,469 --> 02:55:24,960
psychology and social change he involved

4607
02:55:27,830 --> 02:55:26,479
in dealing with refugee kids and

4608
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:27,840
everything else the guy was a massive

4609
02:55:32,070 --> 02:55:28,640
progressive

4610
02:55:33,990 --> 02:55:32,080
okay and so you you

4611
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:34,000
you finally get a sense that very likely

4612
02:55:38,150 --> 02:55:35,600
this is real you you

4613
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:38,160
a a a truly honest actualized

4614
02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:39,359
intellectual is not going to walk away

4615
02:55:43,110 --> 02:55:40,399
from that

4616
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:43,120
plenty have and that says where they are

4617
02:55:47,510 --> 02:55:44,240
who they were

4618
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:47,520
but not mac right now but hopkins

4619
02:55:49,510 --> 02:55:48,880
obviously jumped in a lot of people

4620
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:49,520
jumped in

4621
02:55:53,030 --> 02:55:51,359
so are they as courageous of course they

4622
02:55:56,830 --> 02:55:53,040
were courageous

4623
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:56,840
but few had as much to lose as john mack

4624
02:56:01,590 --> 02:55:58,080
had

4625
02:56:04,469 --> 02:56:01,600
uh but in a way does that matter

4626
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:04,479
i mean uh what the matter is you either

4627
02:56:08,230 --> 02:56:05,680
engage it or you don't

4628
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:08,240
if you have a lot to lose fine uh the

4629
02:56:12,550 --> 02:56:08,800
point is

4630
02:56:14,550 --> 02:56:12,560
is that uh he did it

4631
02:56:15,830 --> 02:56:14,560
and uh he helped bring this issue to

4632
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:15,840
where it is

4633
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:19,760
and uh all of us will benefit from it

4634
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:22,800
he is one of the most important men by

4635
02:56:25,349 --> 02:56:23,520
the way

4636
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:25,359
i'm actually trying to read his pulitzer

4637
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:26,720
prize-winning book the prince of heart

4638
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:28,720
disorder right now about t.e lawrence

4639
02:56:32,150 --> 02:56:30,319
and i thought man i'm not going to get

4640
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:32,160
through this because it's really

4641
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:35,279
dense but i'm already seeing stuff

4642
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:39,120
in it that just speaks to me about

4643
02:56:42,790 --> 02:56:40,960
our issues today even though it's about

4644
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:42,800
t h lawrence and world war one of the

4645
02:56:46,230 --> 02:56:44,399
arabs the whole thing you know

4646
02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:46,240
you know i'm talking about uh but that's

4647
02:56:50,630 --> 02:56:48,160
the book that got on the pulitzer prize

4648
02:56:51,510 --> 02:56:50,640
uh he only wrote a couple of books yeah

4649
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:51,520
and it was

4650
02:56:58,070 --> 02:56:54,720
and and and i'm steadfast in this

4651
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:58,080
i think john connected the dots

4652
02:57:03,670 --> 02:57:00,319
with a couple of pieces of evidence a

4653
02:57:06,710 --> 02:57:03,680
fact a statement between a couple of uh

4654
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:06,720
different sessions and and and that

4655
02:57:11,429 --> 02:57:08,399
that was it he was off to the races

4656
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:11,439
something that only he knew

4657
02:57:14,790 --> 02:57:13,439
but he realized that there was no way

4658
02:57:16,790 --> 02:57:14,800
that these two

4659
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:16,800
separate cases could have said this

4660
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:18,240
because look then he

4661
02:57:22,389 --> 02:57:21,600
he's off to africa zimbabwe the ariel

4662
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:22,399
school

4663
02:57:26,389 --> 02:57:25,600
you know that that was you know he's off

4664
02:57:29,670 --> 02:57:26,399
man he was

4665
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:29,680
he went in john was full in

4666
02:57:33,750 --> 02:57:32,560
once once he started working with actual

4667
02:57:35,910 --> 02:57:33,760
contact leads

4668
02:57:37,590 --> 02:57:35,920
in his office there in cambridge

4669
02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:37,600
obviously now he's getting the

4670
02:57:41,830 --> 02:57:39,279
first-hand stories

4671
02:57:42,710 --> 02:57:41,840
just like other researchers like yvonne

4672
02:57:44,870 --> 02:57:42,720
smith and

4673
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:44,880
the other we know about have gotten but

4674
02:57:49,269 --> 02:57:46,640
he's getting it from the perspective of

4675
02:57:50,870 --> 02:57:49,279
a highly trained psychiatrist right

4676
02:57:52,710 --> 02:57:50,880
skilled and hypnotism and everything

4677
02:57:55,030 --> 02:57:52,720
else and so obviously it's just

4678
02:57:56,469 --> 02:57:55,040
reinforcing and reinforcing this is this

4679
02:57:58,630 --> 02:57:56,479
looks very real

4680
02:58:00,230 --> 02:57:58,640
but he was doing legitimate research

4681
02:58:01,590 --> 02:58:00,240
many many of the staff there were

4682
02:58:02,389 --> 02:58:01,600
contactees that shouldn't surprise

4683
02:58:05,110 --> 02:58:02,399
anybody

4684
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:05,120
uh and and so eventually he publishes

4685
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:05,520
what

4686
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:08,560
is best he could a proper paper in which

4687
02:58:13,830 --> 02:58:09,040
he

4688
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:13,840
in a way that's appropriate and was able

4689
02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:15,600
to get in the journal not easy to do

4690
02:58:19,030 --> 02:58:17,040
right because they weren't exactly

4691
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:19,040
opening anything like that open arms

4692
02:58:23,030 --> 02:58:20,880
but that was a milestone i forget the

4693
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:23,040
name of it it can easily be found

4694
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:24,960
uh he didn't get a lot published because

4695
02:58:29,510 --> 02:58:26,880
he can it was brutal

4696
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:29,520
he was basically still ahead of his time

4697
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:32,960
in 1992-34 it was early but fortunately

4698
02:58:37,269 --> 02:58:33,520
not

4699
02:58:38,950 --> 02:58:37,279
too early so he did as a scientist he

4700
02:58:43,429 --> 02:58:38,960
went to rua

4701
02:58:46,150 --> 02:58:43,439
and uh and helped make that a major case

4702
02:58:46,950 --> 02:58:46,160
uh the documentary on that will come

4703
02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:46,960
soon

4704
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:48,399
if they're smart they'll get it out in

4705
02:58:52,790 --> 02:58:50,160
the next 45 days

4706
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:52,800
it's been long coming major story there

4707
02:58:57,349 --> 02:58:54,160
have been others like it

4708
02:58:59,590 --> 02:58:57,359
so his legacy on this issue is solid

4709
02:59:01,110 --> 02:58:59,600
it will hold up well to history he will

4710
02:59:04,710 --> 02:59:01,120
be well rewarded

4711
02:59:07,190 --> 02:59:04,720
i believe uh by the future and so forth

4712
02:59:07,830 --> 02:59:07,200
uh and i just you know i wish he was

4713
02:59:11,110 --> 02:59:07,840
still here

4714
02:59:13,510 --> 02:59:11,120
when he died he was 74 only

4715
02:59:14,870 --> 02:59:13,520
two months from my age right now we were

4716
02:59:16,950 --> 02:59:14,880
in a calendar just

4717
02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:16,960
two years ago so i'm basically the age

4718
02:59:19,910 --> 02:59:19,200
that he died well you look great oh by

4719
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:19,920
the way

4720
02:59:24,550 --> 02:59:23,120
um let me thank you for an extraordinary

4721
02:59:26,469 --> 02:59:24,560
conversation

4722
02:59:28,309 --> 02:59:26,479
uh and thank you for everything tonight

4723
02:59:30,710 --> 02:59:28,319
but before i get out of here

4724
02:59:32,389 --> 02:59:30,720
i had lee spiegel on the show last night

4725
02:59:33,269 --> 02:59:32,399
and he said be sure to tell the man in

4726
02:59:36,070 --> 02:59:33,279
black

4727
02:59:38,710 --> 02:59:36,080
i said hello so i got i got that out of

4728
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:38,720
the way but you're doing a podcast now

4729
02:59:42,230 --> 02:59:41,120
and uh tell us about that really quick

4730
02:59:44,950 --> 02:59:42,240
where can everybody

4731
02:59:48,389 --> 02:59:44,960
uh go and check it out and and how often

4732
02:59:50,550 --> 02:59:48,399
do you put out new episodes

4733
02:59:52,309 --> 02:59:50,560
it took a year to get the introductory

4734
02:59:54,469 --> 02:59:52,319
video up 14 minutes

4735
02:59:56,469 --> 02:59:54,479
it's disclosurewire.org that's where you

4736
02:59:57,030 --> 02:59:56,479
find it uh i still haven't gotten a sec

4737
02:59:59,590 --> 02:59:57,040
one up

4738
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:59,600
i'm i'm i'm slow i'm trying to you know

4739
03:00:03,269 --> 03:00:01,120
i want to do it perfectly but

4740
03:00:04,309 --> 03:00:03,279
eventually this podcast will get rolling

4741
03:00:06,309 --> 03:00:04,319
i've actually i

4742
03:00:07,510 --> 03:00:06,319
i'm mostly interviewing other podcasts

4743
03:00:09,429 --> 03:00:07,520
i've done

4744
03:00:11,510 --> 03:00:09,439
i've booked 62 interviews so far this

4745
03:00:12,630 --> 03:00:11,520
calendar year i've got 15 to go of the

4746
03:00:15,190 --> 03:00:12,640
bookings

4747
03:00:16,630 --> 03:00:15,200
at least half to two-thirds of those are

4748
03:00:18,950 --> 03:00:16,640
podcasts i'm doing other people's

4749
03:00:21,110 --> 03:00:18,960
podcast making podcast friends

4750
03:00:22,790 --> 03:00:21,120
but eventually you're going to see some

4751
03:00:24,230 --> 03:00:22,800
things coming up but i want them to be

4752
03:00:26,389 --> 03:00:24,240
important i just don't want to do

4753
03:00:27,750 --> 03:00:26,399
anything i'm not on a reschedule

4754
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:27,760
but i hope to do some important

4755
03:00:31,590 --> 03:00:30,000
interviews of people that have already

4756
03:00:33,190 --> 03:00:31,600
been interviewed by other people but i

4757
03:00:34,469 --> 03:00:33,200
hope to take a different tact

4758
03:00:36,309 --> 03:00:34,479
use a different approach whatever but

4759
03:00:37,269 --> 03:00:36,319
it's coming that's that's part of my

4760
03:00:39,269 --> 03:00:37,279
contribution

4761
03:00:40,790 --> 03:00:39,279
uh but also i'm talking with people

4762
03:00:41,910 --> 03:00:40,800
about some other projects i've got

4763
03:00:44,469 --> 03:00:41,920
people approaching me as

4764
03:00:46,309 --> 03:00:44,479
major projects saying you know we you

4765
03:00:48,309 --> 03:00:46,319
know give me some advice or

4766
03:00:50,070 --> 03:00:48,319
will you speak or that and i don't want

4767
03:00:52,550 --> 03:00:50,080
to go into those right now but that's on

4768
03:00:55,590 --> 03:00:52,560
a list of these things i'm talking about

4769
03:00:58,469 --> 03:00:55,600
people are really jumping in with money

4770
03:00:59,349 --> 03:00:58,479
and with their time the the barrier is

4771
03:01:02,950 --> 03:00:59,359
down

4772
03:01:05,590 --> 03:01:02,960
it's safe it's okay uh

4773
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:05,600
so go for it right get your bib on and

4774
03:01:08,469 --> 03:01:06,000
do your

4775
03:01:09,269 --> 03:01:08,479
best rosie ruiz and so there's plenty

4776
03:01:11,110 --> 03:01:09,279
come

4777
03:01:12,309 --> 03:01:11,120
and there's plenty of podcasts out there

4778
03:01:14,389 --> 03:01:12,319
so i don't people are going to

4779
03:01:15,910 --> 03:01:14,399
suffer if i don't get a bunch up but you

4780
03:01:18,230 --> 03:01:15,920
will see some more for me

4781
03:01:19,110 --> 03:01:18,240
i may even write an article for medium

4782
03:01:20,790 --> 03:01:19,120
and whatever the hell

4783
03:01:23,349 --> 03:01:20,800
else i can do but i'm starting to get

4784
03:01:25,030 --> 03:01:23,359
cranked up i'm starting to get energized

4785
03:01:26,550 --> 03:01:25,040
because of all these interviews i'm

4786
03:01:28,469 --> 03:01:26,560
giving like this one

4787
03:01:29,910 --> 03:01:28,479
i just started those toward the end of

4788
03:01:31,830 --> 03:01:29,920
last year let me tell you

4789
03:01:34,230 --> 03:01:31,840
by about october of last year i was a

4790
03:01:36,309 --> 03:01:34,240
wreck i was not in good shape my friend

4791
03:01:37,910 --> 03:01:36,319
i was lying in bed in the morning

4792
03:01:41,510 --> 03:01:37,920
staring at the ceiling going

4793
03:01:44,710 --> 03:01:41,520
i am a worthless piece of [\h__\h]

4794
03:01:45,429 --> 03:01:44,720
i wasted my life and i could barely get

4795
03:01:47,990 --> 03:01:45,439
going

4796
03:01:49,110 --> 03:01:48,000
now i'm getting that i'm getting my mojo

4797
03:01:52,150 --> 03:01:49,120
back so

4798
03:01:52,950 --> 03:01:52,160
i feel good well well thank you for that

4799
03:01:54,870 --> 03:01:52,960
stephen i

4800
03:01:56,309 --> 03:01:54,880
i really appreciate that and rumor has

4801
03:01:59,269 --> 03:01:56,319
it that you did

4802
03:02:00,790 --> 03:01:59,279
uh audition for baywatch but uh you

4803
03:02:03,349 --> 03:02:00,800
didn't get the role

4804
03:02:05,269 --> 03:02:03,359
and i'm just letting you know that that

4805
03:02:08,710 --> 03:02:05,279
that story is now out

4806
03:02:12,710 --> 03:02:08,720
you were so close look i i

4807
03:02:15,030 --> 03:02:12,720
i went to california it's 70 in 1972

4808
03:02:16,230 --> 03:02:15,040
i was playing lots of tennis it never

4809
03:02:18,070 --> 03:02:16,240
occurred to me

4810
03:02:20,230 --> 03:02:18,080
to go up to hollywood and see what i

4811
03:02:21,750 --> 03:02:20,240
could do maybe you know do a couple of

4812
03:02:23,750 --> 03:02:21,760
jobs may get an agent

4813
03:02:24,870 --> 03:02:23,760
i i just i did not have a high opinion

4814
03:02:27,269 --> 03:02:24,880
of myself

4815
03:02:28,630 --> 03:02:27,279
then okay i didn't have the confidence

4816
03:02:29,190 --> 03:02:28,640
that eventually developed before i got

4817
03:02:32,150 --> 03:02:29,200
in this field

4818
03:02:33,429 --> 03:02:32,160
96 uh and so it never occurred to me man

4819
03:02:35,590 --> 03:02:33,439
are you out of your mind

4820
03:02:36,790 --> 03:02:35,600
and so i hung out in san diego but

4821
03:02:39,110 --> 03:02:36,800
looking back

4822
03:02:41,030 --> 03:02:39,120
at some of those photos i'm going jesus

4823
03:02:43,510 --> 03:02:41,040
you could have been a contender

4824
03:02:46,070 --> 03:02:43,520
i could have been a contender stephen

4825
03:02:49,349 --> 03:02:46,080
massa thank you so much my friend

4826
03:02:51,510 --> 03:02:49,359
and uh be safe out there and enjoy uh

4827
03:02:54,150 --> 03:02:51,520
the rest of your night thank you so much

4828
03:02:56,309 --> 03:02:54,160
i will good night sir stephen bassett we

4829
03:02:58,469 --> 03:02:56,319
just went pulled a pole i am off of the

4830
03:03:00,870 --> 03:02:58,479
network in 30 seconds

4831
03:03:02,710 --> 03:03:00,880
i'm getting straight to the credits

4832
03:03:04,950 --> 03:03:02,720
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4833
03:03:06,950 --> 03:03:04,960
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4834
03:03:08,790 --> 03:03:06,960
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4835
03:03:10,389 --> 03:03:08,800
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4836
03:03:12,910 --> 03:03:10,399
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4837
03:03:14,230 --> 03:03:12,920
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4838
03:03:16,309 --> 03:03:14,240
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4839
03:03:18,389 --> 03:03:16,319
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4840
03:03:20,790 --> 03:03:18,399
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4841
03:03:22,950 --> 03:03:20,800
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4842
03:03:24,710 --> 03:03:22,960
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4843
03:03:26,389 --> 03:03:24,720
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4844
03:03:27,830 --> 03:03:26,399
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4845
03:03:28,469 --> 03:03:27,840
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4846
03:03:30,150 --> 03:03:28,479
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4847
03:03:31,670 --> 03:03:30,160
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4848
03:03:32,870 --> 03:03:31,680
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4849
03:03:34,710 --> 03:03:32,880
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4850
03:03:36,469 --> 03:03:34,720
i'll see everybody tomorrow night until

4851
03:03:46,150 --> 03:03:36,479
then be safe

4852
03:03:46,160 --> 03:03:52,830
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03:03:54,770 --> 03:03:54,540
100

4854
03:03:57,370 --> 03:03:54,780
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4855
03:04:16,420 --> 03:03:57,380
[Applause]

4856
03:04:16,430 --> 03:04:20,830
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03:04:20,840 --> 03:04:27,320
so